How the Woot was lost: Shoddy Goods 052
7Wow! It’s been a year since I started Shoddy Goods, the newsletter from Meh about the stuff people make, buy, and sell. It happens to coincide with a couple of other significant anniversaries in my career. I guess it’s put me in a reflective mood, so this issue isn’t so much “from Meh” as from me, Jason Toon, and about me.
One time I worked for a weird little online store. We did everything the opposite of what you’re supposed to do to succeed in ecommerce. And we sold a lot of stuff and customers loved us.
Along came the world’s biggest ecommerce behemoth. They bought us up, fixed all our flaws, and did their best to teach us to do everything just like they did. And we flopped. Customers stopped caring. We stopped getting buzz. Going normal killed us.
And then it all happened again, to another weird little company I worked for, on the other side of the world.
Who just reflexively started hitting F5?
The terrible idea that changed my life
“How long will that last? Six months?” That was my reaction in 2004, when my friend Dave Rutledge told me he was leaving his steady agency job to help his brother Matt run an online store that sold one thing a day. The idea just didn’t make any sense. How could you possibly make enough money to stay in business? And every sale launched at midnight! What kind of weirdos would stay up until midnight just to see one new deal?
I was an idiot. Fortunately, it didn’t take me long to wise up. The site launched this month 21 years ago and was a hit from the beginning. Dave soon invited me along to Woot as a copywriter. For my very first piece - I think it was for a blender? - I wrote what I thought was a wacky little blurb and submitted it. Matt sent it back saying it was fine or whatever, but too positive and not weird enough.
That’s when I knew I was home.
Woot did everything “wrong” and it all worked brilliantly. Our audience was extremely tech-savvy, but we specialized in closeouts, a generation or two old. Our prices were so far below the lowest in the market that we left margin on the table, but it got people talking. Our product copy freely admitted the product’s flaws, went off on ridiculous comic tangents, even told people not to buy it. They bought it anyway.
Everything they teach copywriters not to do
In this pre-social media age, our forums blossomed into a raucous, smart, funny, creative community. Our fans were so rabid, we were able to throw together scraps in something called the Bag 'o Crap, and to sell them so fast that we had to add extra servers to handle the load. Wooters developed a whole bunch of elaborate strategies for nabbing a BOC and still mostly missed out: there just wasn’t enough crap to satisfy everybody.;
Woot turned up in places like NPR and Time Magazine and, in a personal career highlight, a joke on RiffTrax (by the ex-MST3K guys). People at the Consumer Electronics Show asked us for autographs. It was an absolute blast, the only dream job I’ve ever had.
Then, in 2010, Amazon bought Woot. The promise was the same as every other acquisition: “you guys are great but now you’ll have the resources to do your thing bigger and better!” At first, there was some truth to it. Some of us had to move to Seattle. We were indeed able to hire a bunch more people, including a brilliant team of comedy writers and community managers it was my privilege to work with. (That team could be the subject of a whole newsletter itself. Or a five-season streaming TV series. Not on network TV, though, too much profanity.) They even built us a sweet little video studio.
But it soon became clear that Amazon thought that Woot’s eccentricities were a flaw to be tamed, not an advantage to be nurtured. I spent more and more emotional energy on arguments over content that would have been uncontroversial in the pre-Amazon days. A few years after I left in 2013, that team of writers was eventually turfed out. Some of the superficial forms of the old Woot persist to this day, but hollowed-out, defanged, normalized. Woot became the Amazon system’s designated bargain bin/dumping ground under the toothless tagline “Deals and Shenanigans”.
When Woot lost its weird, it also lost its superpower to buy and blast-sell mass quantities of leftover junk - the main reason Amazon bought Woot in the first place. Sadly, most of the stuff that incredibly talented team made is gone or hard to find: the Woot blog and YouTube channel were mostly wiped in recent years.(If anybody out there’s got a stash of old Woot video and audio, name your price.)
Happily, the core of the Woot brain trust regrouped at Meh, which also celebrates its birthday this month. The original crew has now been doing the classic daily deal thing with funny copywriting for longer than they did the original. But you probably know all about that.
To Catch a geek
A few years after I left Woot/Amazon, I got a once-in-a-lifetime offer. An online store in Australia called Catch of the Day was willing to sponsor me for a visa to move there and join their marketing team as the main content guy.
The founders, brothers Gabby and Hezi Leibovich, had started the site in 2006 as a direct Aussie imitation of the early Woot. Turned out the idea worked Down Under, too. They’d since expanded beyond the one daily deal, appropriately dropping “of the Day” to just become Catch. But they still specialized in closeout events at prices so low that, as with Woot, people muttered that their inventory must have fallen off a truck. (Not the case, of course! Woot and Catch both just had amazing buyers who could sniff out deals like pigs find truffles.)
Like Woot, Catch did the opposite of what the big guys would do, and it clicked like crazy. One of those things was getting into ecommerce early and staying ahead: Catch opened a state-of-the-art robot warehouse in 2018, way beyond anything else in Australia at the time.
Of course, Catch wasn’t exactly like Woot. Australia’s a much smaller market, so out of necessity, we had to speak to a wider, more mainstream audience. The Leibovich brothers didn’t have the hardcore geek streak that animated Woot.
But they were every bit as much the mischievous showmen who loved to tweak the smug, puffed-up titans of the industry. Our marketing head, Ryan Gracie, got it, too. So I, my team, and our customers had some fun for a few years, building Catch’s community with ridiculous videos, goofy memes, and proudly cheesy zero-budget trivia giveaways that no other ecommerce company in Australia would ever touch.
Math is hard
Then - stop me if you’ve heard this one before - a retail giant took an interest. The Wesfarmers conglomerate owns the country’s only major hardware chain, only major office-supply chain, and the local versions of both Kmart and Target, which split off from their US parent companies long ago and now dominate Australia’s discount department store field. Australia is a fairly monopolistic market, and Wesfarmers is king of the mountain. They bought Catch in 2019, and again, not much changed… at first.
But Catch was no longer a competitor to the likes of Kmart and Target, but subordinate to them in the Wesfarmers system. Our crack buyers could no longer pursue deals by any means necessary, because there were vendor relationships for Wesfarmers to maintain. When they brought in a longtime Amazon exec to run Catch, the writing was on the wall. (That was right after I left, for the record.)
Without the deal-making drive that made Catch in the first place, it too lost its reason to exist. Customers drifted away. Losses piled up. Wesfarmers finally euthanized what was left of Catch for good this past April.
One of Catch’s longtime competitors says he tried to buy the brand, but Wesfarmers wouldn’t sell it. Apparently, they just wanted Catch out of the marketplace altogether. They kept the robot warehouse, though.
Everything wrong is right again
Hey, look, I’m not complaining. I’ve had way more fun than most people ever have at work. All this upheaval has taken me from my hometown of St. Louis to Seattle and then Melbourne, places I never thought I’d even see, much less live. The friendships I made at these places will last the rest of my life.
It just seems hard to understand. If bratty outsiders can come from nothing and build beloved brands with millions of devoted fans, why can’t the fancy-pants ecommerce professionals at the very least not bungle those brands into oblivion?
I realize that it’s not that they’re evil or stupid. It’s that the appeal of the upstarts goes against all the expertise that made big companies big in the first place. They’re brilliant at what they do: making ecommerce repeatable, predictable, optimized, scalable. The freshness that let Woot and then Catch capture the hearts of customers can’t be predicted or repeated. It can only be optimized so far.
And it might not be scalable, because part of that counterintuitive boldness is going all-in on your audience even at the risk of alienating everyone else. Amazon and Wesfarmers can’t afford to say “maybe we’re not for everyone.” But the problem with “be weird but not too weird” is that it satisfies neither the normals nor the weirdos.
The giants think upstarts succeed in spite of those messy qualities; the rest of us know they succeeded because of them. It’s a bummer what happened to Woot and Catch. The Internet and thus the world are less interesting, less fun, without their irreverent spirit.
But for me, there’s some consolation in knowing that the data can’t know everything - especially what unpredictable, unrepeatable, “wrong” thing human beings will respond to. The big guys can run all the data in the world through the fanciest algorithms ever coded. But when the next Bag o’ Crap comes along, they’ll be just as surprised as the rest of us.
Grandpa, tell us about when the Internet was fun
It’s so weird to realize I’ve been doing the Meh thing years longer than I did the Woot thing at this point. That still feels like a major part of my life—and I also still keep up with friends from that time, several still over at Amazon even. I also check in over there and love seeing something pop up with a little of that weirdness from time-to-time, even if they’re not likely send a team of writers to CES for a week of Worst Awards anytime soon. Got any fond memories of Woot, or other similar stories to Jason’s? Let’s hear about ‘em in this week’s Shoddy Goods Chat.
—Dave (and the rest of Meh)
More re-tales to astonish:
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I’ve repressed it all. To look back at such glorious memories is far too painful. Like gazing directly into the sun.
@medz I have a nice set of pans I won in the bunker game right before they fired everyone. It makes me a tiny bit sad every time I cook an egg.
I remember crying (not literally) inside when it was announced the breakfast octopus had sold woot to amacrap. At that time i did not have an amazon account anymore (i had gotten rid of it years before back when you could do that thing (My earlier shopping on amazon was limited to books (the paper ones) and amazon auctions where a few good craft vendors had left eBay for because amazon was less costly to them))
So I scrambled my password, put in a fake email account (yeah you could still do that back then) and never looked back
Shirt.woot as a dating site.
While things didn’t work out, as my last task was driving a loaded Uhaul + trailer 1,300 miles – sometimes I wonder how things may be different now.
Noah and the Whale - 5 Years Time
Don’t look back
They did a rebrand earlier this year to make the look… Vector-y graphics
I had the usb woot-off klaxon lights, and I’d actually put them up at work when there was a woot-off.
@cainsley Me too! But I was work-from-home even then so nobody cared.
@cainsley same!
This is the Shoddy Goods post I didn’t know I needed. It kind of makes everything ok.
I do quite miss the basicness of the original woot and just a website to go check out, everything today has so much crap on it. Also, all the weird things for sale. A lot of what I see on meh these days (and even woot if I check over there) just is the same old junk. Was nice to see the weird. I am glad on the meh offs they still manage to find some very quirky items.
FYI: Your link in the article does not lead to here
@darkzrobe It felt totally appropriate that the link in this edition of the newsletter leads to “Something Went Terribly Wrong.”
I like Amazon and shop there a lot, but they ruined Woot. Woot always sold the dumbest shit at such a great price you had to buy it. I have no idea how many screaming monkeys I owned and over 20 BOC’s. I never did cave and buy Leak Frog though.
@charlesalanm Sometimes I still hear those screaming monkeys in my dreams
@charlesalanm the leak frog was the shit! My sister even told me last year that hers saved her basement from flooding when her husband took the washing machine drain hose out of the sink and didn’t put it back
It seems to be part of the general s#!*ifcation process that has begun to accelerate recently-- sort of a law of diminishing returns meets hyper-retailization of America.
Omg the brown Zunes! My Roomba and Scooba are both dead but my Leak Frogs are still going strong and have saved my bacon twice when my water heater started leaking! Too funny. I also remember the birthday stream when you (Jason) basically ate your weight in birthday cake. That probably ended horribly.
@jsh139 I didn’t want to eat cake again for at least a week. OK, five days. For me that’s a big deal.
I still have some of the original shirts, including (I think) the shirt that eventually launched Shirt.Woot. The Leak Frog actually worked to alert us of a leak in our basement, and I believe is still operational. I also have one of the original Screaming Flying Monkey slingshots in a drawer somewhere. Good times, truly golden age years.
@Zendriver Be careful, the little stretchy hose (surgical tubing?) often snaps after 10 years of storage.
@pmarin @Zendriver
Yep. Mine totally lost its elasticity before I finally gave it up
We bought leakfrogs for family Christmas gifts. I bought 3 of every Woot monkey for years until their price went up and the crappy plastic-nose monkeys replaced the good ones. Got the giants and the keychain monkeys
I became the “Monkey Uncle” and Christmas boxes from us to my brother’s and sister’s families started including a collection of monkeys and some themed item (like the year I found “Monkey Butt Powder” at the store; that was epic!)
I also trolled for a Zombie Monkey for a long time, every time monkeys were for sale… and then one day Three Piece Woot finally sent me a zombie monkey! That led to a pretty fun thread out there. I still have that monkey and the letter and packaging…
I still have a few items; head-lights, a knife, but mostly the BOCs had crap and were recycled, charitied, or dumpstered. But the memories before amazon genericized it into oblivion… those are treasures.
Gourmet / wine woot became my favorite. Casemates is not the same. Casemates is wine, yes, but not all the other wonderful stuff I used to get there. Cheese from places I still buy cheese from, coffee, chocolates and other yum yum stuff.
@Cerridwyn yes, and we have some good random tasters and (occasional) winemaker participation, but it is a dim shadow of its former “whole”.
So when is Apple buying Meh?
@OnionSoup or Temu
I bet if I say deals.woot it will stir up some emotions.
@djslack crabs
@djslack Deals.woot led me to the deals.woot irq chat. There were a small group of us that were there everyday, and maybe they are still there. A handful that showed up to get help scoring bocs during wootoffs. It was my small extended family for a season.
I’m still somewhat active on the woot forums during events. Active enough that my username is still familiar to most. I was even verbally assaulted recently by someone accusing me of being a woot shill. I thought it was rather endearing. Adding ‘woot shill’ to my avatar would be funny, but I don’t want ole jacksung to lose it again.
@djslack @jaybird irq? that may be a real thing, i’m not techy at all… but I kept trying to reconcile IRC and ICQ when reading it
@jaybird @mbersiam I just autocorrected it to irc in my head
@djslack @mbersiam it could’ve been irc…I think there was an app called irq for irc
I still have a collection of Woot Podcast product songs, the ones I thought were especially good! Aaaaand here they are: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/123-YBNc7mZCzRpOF-L0uF5cWujejKxc1
@drkashik those are great. Thanks for sharing
@drkashik Holy shit, thank you!
What a nostalgic post. I have so many fond memories of reading the Woot copy and fighting for a BOC. 2007~2012 was such a fun time on the internet! In addition to still having Woot, I have fond memories of multiple Gizmodo and Reddit global meetups where I got to hang with other extremely online people.
Came here to reminisce about leakfrogs and screaming monkeys. I’m glad to have found my people.
They’ve even ruined Bags o’ Crap now… by eliminating the bags. They are now known as “boxes o’ crap” and the box is just referring to the woot box they come in
I remember the woot siren lights, and even managed to score a woot! metal bucket. I think it’s still on my front porch…
@Jasongb i forgot about that bucket. I need to find where i put mine
@arbdef @Jasongb I still have the bucket, a set of lights, monkey’s in most colors and a couple of leak frogs. Am I in need of therapy?!
@arbdef @readnj You may represent the best of us!
Ah we are turning into a monopolistic monoculture dystopia quite quickly. Soon everything will be a Michael-Gros and another Apocalypse will be upon us.
(a friend sent me this link)
Who else joined WootTV on most nights?? (I forget the site it was on)
I still have plenty of Woot lights, Flying Monkeys, and (working) Leak Frogs!
I remember walking around CES wearing Monkeys and if a woman noticed, I asked if she would like to touch my monkey!
I miss old woot so much, and the days of running into all of you at CES. We ended up taking one of the screaming monkeys your CES team gave us to the Blue Man Group show. The monkey got smudged with blue paint from one of the Blue Men as a form of autograph because the screaming money almost got them to laugh during an audience meet and greet. They are definitely not allowed to do that. I was so glad when the Meh kickstarter came along, and I still wear my Kickstarter backer shirt to this day.
My woot! addiction started because of my SO (@humper). That habit turned into my forum stalking here at Mediocre, then Meh. Which led to being a volmod. Then I harassed @dave for a job and he
fell for itlet me interview for my spot on the CS team.I miss the community from shirt.woot and deals.woot more than the original purpose of the site. (Though I did score some great deals there.) I was part of the deals.woot chat for several years with some great folks. (@meh, @baqui, @marcee, and a few others whose Meh handles I don’t recall, but I miss talking to you all daily.)
I still have way too much woot branded merch (sweatbands, anyone?), but most of my shirts have been passed on to my sister, who wears and loves them.
Getting kicked out of the Wootilati once I became an employee here made me laugh.
So uh, thanks woot! for bringing me here. Because of the original site, I get to work with a great team of people who make me laugh and are genuinely fun to work with.
@Thumperchick Wait, you got kicked out of the Wootilati?! Petty.
@mossygreen Their logic was that Wootilati was sort of a brand idea tester group, and since I worked for the competition, I couldn’t be in it anymore.
@mossygreen @Thumperchick lol, outside of receiving my original wootilati acceptance letter, I’d never heard another thing about it until now
OMG I can’t believe I just found this site! I was a regular member of Woot pre-Amazon and was destroyed when Amazon ruined it. I’m pretty sure I complained about it every month or so to someone since then. Finding this site brings me to tears (almost)… So glad to be back…
This is TOO MUCH FUN!!! I certainly remember Thumperchick. Not sure when I found WOOT, but I still have and use 2 Vizio 32" Flat Screens that at the time were around $250 each and I couldn’t get over over how they were refurbs but looked and acted like brand new. I bragged about getting both for $5 delivery. May have been around 2008. Flat screens are a lot cheaper now, but at the time I felt that was a great price. I was kind of shocked when WOOT was sold to Amazon and kind of disappointed. I did understand why Founder left the Mothership, but I was kind of surprised Amazon didn’t enforce a non compete clause/Contract. Foolish Them. I was grateful to see MEH. I still check in daily and buy too much crap but am working on that. I know I have some screaming Monkeys around somewhere and The Leak Frogs for sure. I still look at some of the WOOT stuff on A. but don’t buy much. I Don’t like how A will sell T-shirts and such as 3rd party knockoffs and won’t benefit the Shows like Pitbulls and Parolees, but will sell the shirts. Everyone should keep that in mind when buying Amazon Crap. Have a great week.
@Mandamm Oh man, leak frogs saved me from some homeownership mishaps for sure!
/giphy hello

@Mandamm There was one; meh was launched after it expired.
Went on a cross country road trip from S. Florida to North Dakota for a wedding in 2008 & had to stop by the Woot HQ on my way!!
My ugly brown Zune gave up the ghost only about 4 or 5 years ago. Best $80 I ever spent! I got a huge amount of use out of that thing, and of course the Altec Lansing speaker dock that it connected to. I still have a bag of Woot monkeys, including the huge ones and the glow in the dark ones. When the sale to Amazon happened there was a catchy little tune call “We’re movin’ to Seattle” that my kids loved and knew all the words to. I haven’t been able to locate it on YouTube for years.
@nemo2005 I kept my brown Zune running until at least 2015. “Love” is a strong word to use for an inanimate object, which is why I’m using it: I loved that thing.
@JasonToon @nemo2005 Zune … Toon Coincidental rhyme? We think not.
@JasonToon see my post below. I found a bunch of your webpage stuff!
I’ve been a customer since the woot days. For meh, I used to live on the east coast and had an alarm set for the days I thought there would be a fukubukuro. So glad to see meh is still its super odd self and I still got the VIP shipping lol
One of the few things I ever bought at woot was that brown zune. My best friend also got one, and he loved it he used it forever. Mine would never charge. I was so pleased when they just gave me my money back.
Btw, I still have one speaker dock and a shit ton of knives from the knife/speakerdock era. A TV and receiver sound system I bought from you guys has moved with me like five times and are still the best deals I’ve ever gotten online.
Sell me another brown Zune. Today. Please!
I still have a stupid number of woot t-shirts. In fact I’m wearing one right now. They were pretty good back then, and the photos on the sale pages were big enough to actually see what was being offered. I have wondered if they shrunk the photos to make it harder to rip off the designs. But they are also harder to see and click “buy”. I mostly stopped buying them around when amazon took over. Decided I had too many t-shirts from years of buying them impulsively.
Post amazon I still bought woot stuff occasionally because my woot account still worked, but more recently they’ve required an amazon login and I don’t have and don’t want one, so no more woot for me.
loved the writeups. was there ever a plotline conclusion to that one d&d player who was getting revenge on his game group for conspiring against him?
Dave, I was thinking it’s time for a change up again. I’d do it, but you’re creative and cool! I don’t know…a “go out on a limb” sale from time to time that is borderline unlawful! Something that causes the retail gods to stay awake at nights worrying…
Landing a gig writing for Woot saved my life; I was miserable working a dead end job. It took me to Seattle, where I still live today. It all blew up pretty catastrophically at the end there, but man it was such a fun place until the Amazombies showed up.
HEY JASON!!!
ARCHIVE.ORG and their Wayback Machine has copies of the old woot.com pages.
https://web.archive.org/web/20050102013617/http://www.woot.com/woot_detail.aspx
I didn’t hit a lot of them, but there’s tons of entries. You might be able to archive some stuff yourself.
EDIT: The blog is there too! https://web.archive.org/web/20080701082225/http://www.woot.com/Blog/
This one is from 2008
EDIT AGAIN:
And at least some of the forums from the blog!
https://web.archive.org/web/20080701195722/http://www.woot.com/Forums/ViewPost.aspx?PostID=2376303
@TehErk Thanks! I’ve done some hit-or-miss digging through archive.org, but you struck some gold there!
@JasonToon
You’re welcome! Thanks for all the cheap stuff and the funny write-ups over the years.
BTW, I landed here originally thanks to They Might Be Giants’ “It’s MEH!” jingles. I caught the TMBG reference in the blog here. Ever planning on doing anything else with them?
Woot gave me internet and real life friends! Plus it gave me something to tell the lawyers when I had jury duty when they asked if I had a job. Not that they thought much of an unpaid job that started at 1am! I also have an endless supply of screaming monkeys. They sit on top of my wall unit and watch me watching TV.
Bought & used USB Woot lights at work during every Woot-Off: check.
Bought (and still use) set of Ken Shun Onion knives: check.
Bought & horded dozens of assorted Woot Screaming Monkeys: check. (They’ll be worth a fortune, some day. Right???)