Well, though I object to the usage of “woke” in this (or any) context unless it means I woke at 7AM which might be 8AM…. Anyway, yes I agree with the sentiment of the post.
I mentioned elsewhere that a “news” guy said because of Daylight Saving Time we now have longer days and shorter nights. This has been going on for billions of years and is because of the way the earth spins and its orbit around the Sun. Some even call that “science,” not valid in all states. Check with your congressmen.
Length of daylight has nothing to do with the arbitrary numbers we assign to points in what we call a “day.” So, yes, the message of the post is valid, but if you can, please realize that woke has been weaponized as a hate-word of the racist right, and I’d prefer it’s not used here.
i’m tired of having my circadian (and most other) rhythms f**ked with by inept legislators who kowtow to the biggest donors.
Read the damned medical reports on what Doesn’t Save Time does to various health issues.
You want to get up in the dark, Fine, set your damned alarm clock an hour earlier.
You want to get home with 3 hours more sunshine left in the summer, Fine, take off from work an hour earlier. (invite your boss to that golf game!) Or hell, just quit your damned job you’re probably not doing anything significant on while daydreaming about that extra hour of sunshine, anyway.
I agree DST sucks, but… the alternatives also suck! Where I live, if there were no DST, the sun would rise at 4am in the summer, and if we adopted DST year-round, then in January children would be going to school in the pitch darkness.
@agnesnutter@Kyeh or just do away with time zones altogether. It would avoid a lot of confusion.
The times 8am, noon, 5pm, etc are all manmade constructs (yes technically, noon/12pm is when the sun is at highest point in sky, but that’s still a manmade construct).
Just change what hour you wake/sleep based on where you are in the globe and the season. It would be nice when someone said “5pm” if that meant the same for everyone everywhere in the world.
People would grumble for a while, but they would quickly get used to thinking of time differently.
@agnesnutter@Kyeh@OnionSoup
Because it has a relationship with [in that it was a marketing ploy of] “Swatch”…
That’s reason enough, but it also seems extremely complicated…
@agnesnutter@Kyeh I would go with 10 decimal hours, 100 decimal minutes in an hour (the decimal minute same as a beat in beat time) and 100 decimal seconds in a minute.
The idea of hours being 42 beats long in the beat system makes me think “what’s the point” you’re not really decimalizing time that way.
The 10 decimal hours system would make mathematics calculations easier. Again, there would be a pain point, people grumbling for a few years, but people would eventually get used to it.
Never going to happen on earth people are too reluctant to learn anything new, but it might make sense to use a system such as this if we ever leave earth. Obviously our biology is linked to an earth day. It makes sense for off-earth to have a simpler more logical system of time keeping rather than sticking with what we have.
@OnionSoup anyone calling for an hour long meeting under your proposed system would be subject to a great deal of my ire. You get 10 minutes. 20 minutes max.
The 40 hour work week? No thank you! How about 12?
My lunch hour would be an opportunity for lunch, errands, and a brief siesta, though. I can get behind that.
It’s a wide country like the US, but it shows why no time zones makes for some growing pains. “Business hours” are kept, so something like 9-5 (in reality, more like 8 to . But if everything was synchronized to Washington DC time, good luck telling someone from Lubbock, TX to have a chat at 8:00 am when it “feels like” 6:00 am to them. (Which is why we use Fahrenheit and not Celsius; °F is a closer measure of “feels like” because we don’t want to give up the prestige/tradition. This is also why we have stubborn bureaucracy and not meritocracy.)
@djslack@OnionSoup the 40 hour work week was what Ford came up with as the most he could squeeze out of his assembly line wage slaves before they got too tired and caused more costly accidents.
It’s stuck ever since, not factoring commuting to work or working across time zones.
@djslack@pakopako and studies run in Europe show that when people are given a 32 hour work week instead of 40 they accomplish more.
There was a test ran and almost all the companies running the test stuck with the 32 hour work week after the study was over as, perhaps counter-intuitively, it was more productive than the 40 hour week.
Also studies have shown when people are given more vacation time they are more productive too… But companies still give measly time off over here… Some companies, I know Microsoft is one, took it to heart though and have unlimited time off available.
@djslack@OnionSoup@pakopako M$ doesn’t exactly make it “unlimited”, they just tend to use metrics that are task-completion-centric instead of time-on-clock oriented. If you get your project done at home between 2AM and 6AM more often than during Seattle office hours, the typical M$ manager is going to be at least as happy as if you were present at your desk with a stack of used coffee cups and a frenetic expression with the project up and running mostly glitch-free. (This is from my ex-M$ significant other, who did this exact thing more than once.)
@OnionSoup “unlimited” PTO is a double edged sword… There is no limit but the average person winds up in the situation where they are burning PTO at year end because they have x amount to use. Take away that block of x hours and if they don’t manage it themselves to ensure they take at least the equivalent amount, they actually use less PTO than under a limited system (given that x represents an adequate allotment). Over your average team of people the number of PTO hours paid out is likely to decrease by removing the limit because you’re not giving people buckets of 80 or more hours that are accounted for them.
Smart and motivated PTO takers can maximize on this, assuming they can fulfill all their duties/expectations. But many people don’t take charge that way.
Also, taking January off is, of course, pending your manager’s approval.
I’ll always remember the column in the local newspaper (remember those?) that printed messages people called in and left on an answering machine.
Someone called in and said they would like to complain to Congress about daylight savings time because the extra hour of sunlight was killing their grass.
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This is something we can agree about.
Well, though I object to the usage of “woke” in this (or any) context unless it means I woke at 7AM which might be 8AM…. Anyway, yes I agree with the sentiment of the post.
I mentioned elsewhere that a “news” guy said because of Daylight Saving Time we now have longer days and shorter nights. This has been going on for billions of years and is because of the way the earth spins and its orbit around the Sun. Some even call that “science,” not valid in all states. Check with your congressmen.
Length of daylight has nothing to do with the arbitrary numbers we assign to points in what we call a “day.” So, yes, the message of the post is valid, but if you can, please realize that woke has been weaponized as a hate-word of the racist right, and I’d prefer it’s not used here.
i’m tired of having my circadian (and most other) rhythms f**ked with by inept legislators who kowtow to the biggest donors.
Read the damned medical reports on what Doesn’t Save Time does to various health issues.
You want to get up in the dark, Fine, set your damned alarm clock an hour earlier.
You want to get home with 3 hours more sunshine left in the summer, Fine, take off from work an hour earlier. (invite your boss to that golf game!) Or hell, just quit your damned job you’re probably not doing anything significant on while daydreaming about that extra hour of sunshine, anyway.
yes, i post this every time someone rants about DST.
btw: this video is 10 yrs old now.
I agree DST sucks, but… the alternatives also suck! Where I live, if there were no DST, the sun would rise at 4am in the summer, and if we adopted DST year-round, then in January children would be going to school in the pitch darkness.
@agnesnutter Well, another alternative would be just changing the time kids go to school and businesses open, etc. instead of the time for everyone …
@agnesnutter @Kyeh or just do away with time zones altogether. It would avoid a lot of confusion.
The times 8am, noon, 5pm, etc are all manmade constructs (yes technically, noon/12pm is when the sun is at highest point in sky, but that’s still a manmade construct).
Just change what hour you wake/sleep based on where you are in the globe and the season. It would be nice when someone said “5pm” if that meant the same for everyone everywhere in the world.
People would grumble for a while, but they would quickly get used to thinking of time differently.
@Kyeh @OnionSoup if you’re going the “arbitrary universal time” route, why not .beat time?
@agnesnutter @Kyeh @OnionSoup
Because it has a relationship with [in that it was a marketing ploy of] “Swatch”…
That’s reason enough, but it also seems extremely complicated…
@agnesnutter @Kyeh I would go with 10 decimal hours, 100 decimal minutes in an hour (the decimal minute same as a beat in beat time) and 100 decimal seconds in a minute.
The idea of hours being 42 beats long in the beat system makes me think “what’s the point” you’re not really decimalizing time that way.
The 10 decimal hours system would make mathematics calculations easier. Again, there would be a pain point, people grumbling for a few years, but people would eventually get used to it.
Never going to happen on earth people are too reluctant to learn anything new, but it might make sense to use a system such as this if we ever leave earth. Obviously our biology is linked to an earth day. It makes sense for off-earth to have a simpler more logical system of time keeping rather than sticking with what we have.
@Kyeh @OnionSoup
.beat time doesn’t use hours, you divide the day into 1000.
@OnionSoup anyone calling for an hour long meeting under your proposed system would be subject to a great deal of my ire. You get 10 minutes. 20 minutes max.
The 40 hour work week? No thank you! How about 12?
My lunch hour would be an opportunity for lunch, errands, and a brief siesta, though. I can get behind that.
Also my watch collection would like a word
@agnesnutter @Kyeh @OnionSoup
That’s China.
It’s a wide country like the US, but it shows why no time zones makes for some growing pains. “Business hours” are kept, so something like 9-5 (in reality, more like 8 to
. But if everything was synchronized to Washington DC time, good luck telling someone from Lubbock, TX to have a chat at 8:00 am when it “feels like” 6:00 am to them. (Which is why we use Fahrenheit and not Celsius; °F is a closer measure of “feels like” because we don’t want to give up the prestige/tradition. This is also why we have stubborn bureaucracy and not meritocracy.)
@djslack @OnionSoup the 40 hour work week was what Ford came up with as the most he could squeeze out of his assembly line wage slaves before they got too tired and caused more costly accidents.
It’s stuck ever since, not factoring commuting to work or working across time zones.
@agnesnutter @Kyeh @pakopako I would not suggest everyone work 8-5 regardless of longitude. Merely 8 refers to the same hour everywhere you go.
@djslack @pakopako and studies run in Europe show that when people are given a 32 hour work week instead of 40 they accomplish more.
There was a test ran and almost all the companies running the test stuck with the 32 hour work week after the study was over as, perhaps counter-intuitively, it was more productive than the 40 hour week.
Also studies have shown when people are given more vacation time they are more productive too… But companies still give measly time off over here… Some companies, I know Microsoft is one, took it to heart though and have unlimited time off available.
@djslack @OnionSoup @pakopako M$ doesn’t exactly make it “unlimited”, they just tend to use metrics that are task-completion-centric instead of time-on-clock oriented. If you get your project done at home between 2AM and 6AM more often than during Seattle office hours, the typical M$ manager is going to be at least as happy as if you were present at your desk with a stack of used coffee cups and a frenetic expression with the project up and running mostly glitch-free. (This is from my ex-M$ significant other, who did this exact thing more than once.)
@djslack @pakopako @werehatrack as of 2023 they have unlimited days PTO.
If you want the whole of January off, you take the whole of January off.
@OnionSoup “unlimited” PTO is a double edged sword… There is no limit but the average person winds up in the situation where they are burning PTO at year end because they have x amount to use. Take away that block of x hours and if they don’t manage it themselves to ensure they take at least the equivalent amount, they actually use less PTO than under a limited system (given that x represents an adequate allotment). Over your average team of people the number of PTO hours paid out is likely to decrease by removing the limit because you’re not giving people buckets of 80 or more hours that are accounted for them.
Smart and motivated PTO takers can maximize on this, assuming they can fulfill all their duties/expectations. But many people don’t take charge that way.
Also, taking January off is, of course, pending your manager’s approval.
I’ll always remember the column in the local newspaper (remember those?) that printed messages people called in and left on an answering machine.
Someone called in and said they would like to complain to Congress about daylight savings time because the extra hour of sunlight was killing their grass.
@djslack
“No one has ever went broke by underestimating the intelligence of the American public…”
-H. L. Mencken
@djslack @PhysAssist
FIFY
@djslack @Kyeh
I directly copied and pasted my quote from the Google result.
@djslack @PhysAssist Well, you picked the wrong result!
Read somewhere it was determined capitalist, more shoppers prefer to go when still sunlight so kept for more after work time to shop.