@zhicks1987 There’s just no correct answer.

@zhicks1987
Thanks TC!

@chienfou There’s no right place for this, so I’ll address it to you, Yoda poster. I tried to show my family my Star Wars knowledge, so I asked my gemini to give me some Star Wars trivia. That asshole gave me nothing but comics I’d never read.

@zhicks1987 don’t’s’

@Thumperchick dont’s’ve

@Thumperchick @zhicks1987
Yep, it’s a confusing mess!

I particularly like the third one listed as “rare”!

@f00l oh noooo

@zhicks1987 There is a difference in that Trump is dangerous and mentally unhinged and totally obsessed with his own wealth, his accomplishments and plastering his name on anything he can.

For those of you who now can’t afford health insurance, getting sicker for lack of vaccines and can’t afford food, it has to be obvious that Trump cares little about you and only about himself.

@Felton10 @zhicks1987 Apparently he really cares about Venezuela, too.

@MrGoodGuy

“I love peace, and I don’t care how many men, women, and children I have to kill to get it.” --The Peacemaker

@MrGoodGuy Nobody’s allowed to kill protesters except him?

@Felton10 I think Colbert may have used that lol

@f00l
“Jan 3 (Reuters) - Venezuelan migrants around the world erupted in celebration on Saturday following the U.S.-led deposition of President Nicolas Maduro, whose government oversaw one of the world’s largest migration exoduses in recent history.
Chants celebrating Maduro’s capture were heard on the streets of capital cities in Latin America and in Spain, where Venezuelans gathered to share their joy - and wonder what the future could hold.”
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/venezuela-diaspora-celebrates-maduros-deposition-wonders-whats-next-2026-01-03/

@f00l @therealjrn And next week, he’ll be back to deporting them.

@f00l @werehatrack That’s funny right there I don’t care who you are

@therealjrn @werehatrack

Historically, the US is better at fast strikes against regimes than at building democracies.

Building democracies only works (it seems to me) when the historical patterns of social structure and civilization are primed for it, there is a large existing educated population, an established middle-class, a history of small, medium, and large business culture, a history relatively free of rampant day-to-day corruption, and a bunch of other factors I don’t know about or can’t remember.

@f00l @werehatrack I have to agree. But then again, it’s always easier to tear stuff down than rebuild it.

@f00l @therealjrn @werehatrack Hispanics thought Trump was their friend and savior until he started hunting down their friends and relatives like animals and deporting them. Same with African Americans until Trump got rid of DEI programs and tried to wipe the history of slavery and their awful treatment from history books.

@f00l an hour to wake up and an hour to shave and shower.
They must be like me and spend an hour doom scrolling in bed after waking up.

@f00l I’m stealing that.

@OldCatLady Can we get him to fly down and take personal command right away, please please please can we?

@OldCatLady Having followed his performance (or lack thereof) for many years in Florida, he was the perfect pick for Trump’s cabinet. Minimal to no skills at anything, heavy duty knee pads, will do or say anything to get ahead to not offend his boss and has small hands and a brain to match.

@phendrick oh, now I remember.
Epiphany, aka National Take Down the Christmas Tree Day.

@phendrick Just two weeks left to go until the anniversary of last year’s nation-saving inauguration day?

@Felton10 @phendrick

since Malaria wants nothing to do with him

But you notice she hasn’t divorced him…

@Kidsandliz @phendrick Of course not-I’m sure he used money to keep her from divorcing him. She only married him for his money and the more money he throws at her to keep her in tow, the more events she will attend. She knows the truth about the orange perv better than anyone and the less she has to do with him the better.

After he leaves the Presidency, she will divorce him as fast as possible and take her money and her anchor father and go back to that shit hole country from which came. Her footnote in history will be the worst FLOTUS ever along side the worst President ever.

And Trump, he will be free to marry Karoline Levitt so he can enjoy those lips of hers more frequently that he has mentioned so many times.

@Felton10 @Kidsandliz @phendrick well. We don’t need to resort to the toilet/plague naming.

But Melania is an immigrant. She didn’t like the white house/definitely does not care that he tore down “her” wing.

She has a scam crypto coin.

Probably renegotiated the prenup since he actually has some money now. Which he never had before.

Got a movie no one will watch.

Doesn’t have to live with him. Only ccasionally has to slap his hand away… Which I guess could explain some things.

Honestly she’s got a pretty sweet deal at the moment. Why would she divorce him until he’s in prison?

@Felton10 @Kidsandliz @phendrick @unksol in that line of thought, she could remain married while he’s in prison. No need to share names with anyone else, and the benefits contribute.

@Felton10 @Kidsandliz @pakopako @phendrick i mean I guess. Hed definitely die in there. And she doesn’t seem to care about love. But it’s not like she would get anything out of it. Hed just get try and name shit and build monuments with his corrupt fortune. I think she’d be better off to take her cut before he wastes it.

Not financial advice

@Kidsandliz
I don’t think her contract allows her to divorce him.

@shahnm
Needs more “nose holding”

Renee Nicole Macklin Good. She was 37, from Colorado, and just visiting Minneapolis.

For decades, “conservative” voices have loudly exclaimed that the government would be coming for the citizens, with the openly stated belief that it would be the liberals who drove it.

Well, it’s here. And look who’s doing it.

@werehatrack

@unksol If someone would have told me last year that armed masked groups of federal officers would be roaming this country gathering up immigrants most of which whose only crime was to come to this country to seek a better life for them and their family, I would said they are crazy.

Now I am not talking about those who have committed crimes and deserve to go. I am talking about hard working people who are providing for their family and are doing jobs that most American don’t want to do. Those are most of the people that are being rounded up and deported. No legal due process no nothing-they just disappear. Trump wants a American that is WASP and anyone not like him has to go.

Be careful or wary, they may be coming for you or me next.

@shahnm IDK where that term came from… Except from English. I have not heard it before this. But she was a US citizen. Observing a supposed “police” action .

This is no different than legally recording police. Which literally all of us are allowed to do. Everyone in the country is a “legal observer”.

She didn’t try to kill anyone. They threatened her. She tried to leave. An untrained ICE agent murdered her. That’s it.

You have got to get out of your bubble

Admittedly with this administration he could have been trained to shoot first. ICE should not be armed with the people they are hiring. But when police do this they would be retrained and investigated

@shahnm @unksol “untrained ICE agent”
He might be. How do you know that he was untrained?

@unksol
https://www.lawofficer.com/why-the-minneapolis-ice-shooting-became-national-news-and-why-it-shouldnt-have/

“Choosing to threaten armed law enforcement officers, weaponizing your vehicle and attempting to harm or kill, significantly ratchets up the statistical probability of being shot and killed in an officer involved shooting. It’s not rocket science. As one of my friends quotes John Wayne: “If you’re going to be dumb, you’ve gotta be tough.””…

“These are the facts: As her vehicle is approached by agents and is told to get out of the vehicle, she reverses the vehicle. An agent is in front of the protester Good’s vehicle as it is traveling backwards, when suddenly she engages forward drive. Her vehicle struck the agent, but there is video evidence that when the driver shifted into forward drive (the backup lights turned off) the agent who is now suddenly in harm’s way, was still holstered. The three shots were fired 0.5 to 0.75 seconds later striking the driver in the face according to on-site witness testimony and several angles of video.”…

It’s funny you should speak of getting out of a bubble. This comment of yours: “She didn’t try to kill anyone. They threatened her. She tried to leave. An untrained ICE agent murdered her. That’s it.”

That is peak leftist-narrative bubble.

@zhicks1987 I clarified. Better phrasing would have been inexperienced or poorly trained. Because we know that’s going to happen with the hiring tempo.

The reason I choose to use that is because this is classic of bad training in police forces. Where aggression is the point. This is well known.

Also ICE is not police they have no business engaging with the general public. They are not law enforcement. And they definitely can’t murder you for gently driving away.

Police should not either. Do you not know the justification for use of lethal force?

@unksol @zhicks1987

…when suddenly she engages forward drive. Her vehicle struck the agent, but there is video evidence that when the driver shifted into forward drive (the backup lights turned off) the agent who is now suddenly in harm’s way, was still holstered.

@shahnm while the source you are quoting is just a lie.

It does not matter. The situation was created by the actions ICE was doing and a single ICE agent made a bad decision. One guy. From the side. She just drove away

When this happens with police multiple officers will have fired. And the danger will be real. This was not that.

That officer would be suspended and investigated and training would be looked at. This is not controversial.

IDK how we got to such a fucked up place where I can say the golden rule and be nice to people. And other people are flat out cartmans

@shahnm you are quoting a lie. I get it if you just read the post ICE put out. This is literally no different than corrupt police departments trying to cover. Then there is video

@unksol Yes. Watch it.
https://x.com/bonchieredstate/status/2009315210096771576?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^2009315210096771576|twgr^aa06041802c76a0cc96ee3f360f8bb071b73d261|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Face.mu.nu%2F

@shahnm I said reputable source. Who the fuck uses Twitter for info

@unksol Don’t attack the messenger just because reality conflicts with the narrative you want to believe.

@shahnm @unksol You are being disingenuous

@shahnm @zhicks1987 I would like to correct one point. I did say “untrained” which is a very well documented issue with the hiring rush/lowering of standards etc. I was giving him the benefit of doubt. I was wrong to do so.

You are correct that he is a 10 year veteran of CPB. Who intentionally violate their training and intentionally get in the path of vehicles to justify shootings.

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/us-border-agents-intentionally-stepped-front-moving-vehicles-justify-shooting-them/

My sincerest apologies. They have been doing awful things the whole time

@unksol @zhicks1987 Well @unksol, I see that you did not spend the past few weeks educating yourself and trying to dispel at least a few of your countless misconceptions and leftist indoctrinations. Ah well. At least you’re consistent.

But I see that you offered your “sincerest apologies”. In the spirit of equivalent kindness, I’ll return the favor:

@shahnm @zhicks1987 I’m simply acknowledging your point that CBP have been badly trained the entire time. That it’s not new. And that it’s unfortunate they were not course corrected sooner

Oh wait. No one’s fixing it. They are just celebrating shooting women…

“I shot 5 times and put 7 holes in her” “congrats” etc

@unksol @zhicks1987 I never said CBP have been badly trained. But you further illustrate my point that you are going to staunchly maintain a world view that is sculpted, and when necessary adjusted, to fit the various leftist orthodoxies and ideologies du jour. No amount of information, guidance, or just straight up reality will ever permeate that impenetrable barrier…

@shahnm and ffs how is this political? A bad cop killed someone. Acknowledge the issue. Do an investigation.

The problem is no one wants to acknowledge ICE dirty laundry. The horrible things they are doing and the laws they are violating

@shahnm Even if that was true, then he must have been messed up in the head, but ICE is so desperate for people, they will take anyone want-to-be goober with his finger on the trigger ready to kill someone . Every situation stands on its own facts and he was a ticking time bomb ready to explode at the least little provocation and should never have been on duty or let anywhere near a gun. But he will get off because Drumpf and Noem Nothing already pronounced him innocent and her guilty without doing any investigation.

@unksol A good cop killed a bad person. She had no reason to be there, other than to cause trouble. She was looking to stir up trouble. She made a choice to drive her car into another human being. She FAed, and she FOed.

Look, you’d have more luck being convincing in your "golden rule"ism if you had loudly protested when Ashley Babbitt was gunned down by a remedial rent-a-cop thug with a history of poor conduct. Babbitt wasn’t armed with a gun or a car and she wasn’t in anyone’s face.

But you and your leftist-narrative-chugging selective pearl-clutchers seemed ok with that.

@unksol

You site no source. Can’t show his face.

I didn’t cite the source on purpose. I have the info I need, from sources that I’ve deemed to be reliable enough to quote. You can verify for yourself (not really a strength of the left, I know) or just stick with your programming.

No one is showing the agent’s face right now. It’ll eventually leak I guess, but that’s just the way the picture currently is posted.

@shahnm Was the ICE presence in that city and place necessary for any valid purpose identified by local law enforcement or by Congressionally-mandated policy? I haven’t seen a single confirmable statement that either of these apply. On the contrary, it is pretty obvious that it was performative terror theater by a madman. If ICE had competent leadership, the command for execution of the order would have been met with a request to get all of the legal ducks in a row, precisely identify the targets they wanted to acquire, and assign only the personnel who would accomplish the task with a minimum of collateral damage. The military does that on a regular basis. The military almost never does combat fishing expeditions; they gather intel and send boots only when they’re sure of what they want to do, and that does not appear to be the ICE modus operandi. I’d say that ICE and its leadership has a lot to learn, and no demonstrated willingness to do so.

As for the personnel aspect, based on what you’ve just posted, the shooter was obviously a poor choice for inclusion in a mission that could be expected to be confrontational regardless of why that was true, and now we have a dead civilian and what is rapidly approaching a complete loss of trust in Federal “enforcement”.

And by their own admitted numbers, ICE has been less effective in accomplishing deportation or expulsion of aliens lacking legal resident status under the current administration than in 2022 (the most recent year for which DHS has published a Yearbook), so it’s pretty clear that the current administration took a system that was working well under Biden (if not always humanely), and broke it and made it more abusive, a fact they are doubtless very proud of because breaking things is what they set out to do.

What they are breaking now is the nation.

@werehatrack The current administration made a vocal and platform point about removing criminal illegal aliens (that’s redundant, I know).

It was and continues to be the left who demonize the agents, dox and threaten them, obstruct them, and assault them. The left who was and is actively riled up and radicalized by a motley coterie of political and social leaders who would rather have this mess, and the violence and hatred that comes with it, than accept the current administration’s policies and leadership.

This isn’t resistance, like the leftist NPCs bleating the leftist lines “believe”. This is, by definition, insurrection.

@shahnm @werehatrack “Was the ICE presence in that city and place necessary…”
Doesn’t matter.
She ‘allegedly’ tried to attack a peace officer. They have rights, too.

@shahnm Your definition of insurrection seems wildly at variance with the legal one. So tell us, was what happened on January 6, 2021, an insurrection, or not? Because I haven’t seen anything approaching that level of malevolent violence from the left.

@shahnm @werehatrack I have told a police officer to his face that he can’t ID me.

@werehatrack You’ll enjoy this answer. I just know you’ll learn a lot and be better informed after you really think about and understand it. There’s a lot packed in here, but there is a LOT of info to digest in places other than the leftist bubbles you like. Go dig in!

@werehatrack

I haven’t seen anything approaching that level of malevolent violence from the left.

What’s below is a long list, I know. It’s easier if you just start with the ones corresponding to riots…

It is possible to choose to know what is true, rather than what you want to believe to be true:

Left-Wing Violence

Left-Wing Violence, often rooted in ideologies like Marxism, anarchism, or anti-capitalism, has a long history globally and in the U.S., typically aimed at overthrowing perceived oppressive systems.

This non-exhaustive list is a work in progress.

September 10, 2025: Assassination of Charlie Kirk (Orem, UT) – Unidentified shooter, linked to anti-conservative extremism, targeted Turning Point USA founder at Utah Valley University event. 1 killed.

July 4, 2025: Antifa Ambush at Prairieland Detention Center (Alvarado, TX) – 10 North Texas Antifa cell members, dressed in black, used fireworks to lure ICE agents and local police, then opened fire in a planned ambush, shooting an Alvarado police officer in the neck (non-fatal injury). 0 killed; 1 officer injured; all 10 arrested and charged with three counts each of attempted murder of a federal officer and discharging a firearm in a violent crime (up to life sentences).

June 24, 2025: Attack by Julie Mikela Winters (Portland, OR) – Transgender Antifa militant Julie Mikela Winters (born Christopher Hudson) attempted to ignite an incendiary device at an ICE facility, then brandished and threw a 1-foot machete at Federal Protective Service officers during a riot, resisting arrest. 0 killed; officers unharmed; suspect arrested on felony attempted assault of a federal officer with a deadly weapon.

June 14, 2025: “No Kings” Protest Shooting (Salt Lake City, UT) – Left-wing radicals fired into a crowd during an anti-authority protest, killing one bystander. 1 killed; 3 injured.

June 14, 2025: Assault on ICE Officer by Robert Jacob Hoopes (Portland, OR) – Robert Jacob Hoopes (24), an Antifa-linked protester, threw a large rock at an ICE officer during a violent anti-ICE protest, striking him in the head and causing a 2-inch laceration over the eye (requiring stitches); also used a stop sign as a battering ram to damage the facility door ($7,747). 0 killed; 1 officer injured; suspect arrested July 25, 2025, and charged with aggravated assault of a federal officer and depredation of federal property (up to 30 years).

June 8, 2025: Protests Against Immigration Raids (Los Angeles, CA) – Antifa and BLM-linked militants vandalized Waymo autonomous vehicles and assaulted federal agents during raids. 0 killed; 10+ injured; $1M+ damage.

June 1, 2025: Attack on Pro-Israel Demonstrators (Boulder, CO) – Armed left-wing group assaulted demonstrators calling for release of Israeli hostages, firing shots and using improvised weapons. 0 killed; 5 injured.

May 29, 2025: Attack on Israeli Embassy Staff (Washington, DC) – Left-wing pro-Palestine militants shot and killed two staff members, Yaron Lischinsky and Sarah Milgrim, after an event at Capital Jewish Museum. 2 killed.

April 13, 2025: Arson at Pennsylvania Governor’s Mansion (Harrisburg, PA) – Left-wing extremist broke into Gov. Josh Shapiro’s residence and set it on fire with Molotov cocktails, motivated by anti-Israel and pro-Palestine views. 0 killed; $2M+ damage.

March 2025: Assassination Attempt on Elon Musk (Austin, TX) – Suspect with anti-capitalist motives attempted to bomb Tesla facilities and target Elon Musk. 0 killed; suspect arrested.

January–September 2025: Attacks on ICE Agents During Deportations (Nationwide) – Far-left groups assaulted and attempted bombings on ICE agents during immigration enforcement operations. 0 killed; 20+ injuries.

December 4, 2024: Assassination of Brian Thompson (New York City, NY) – Luigi Mangione, driven by anti-corporate ideology, shot UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson outside a hotel. 1 killed.

April–May 2024: Pro-Gaza Campus Assaults (Nationwide, esp. UCLA, Los Angeles, CA; Columbia University, New York City, NY) – Left-wing militants assaulted Jewish students and set fires during Gaza war protests at universities. 0 killed; 50+ injured; $5M+ damage.

July 13, 2024: Assassination Attempt on Donald Trump (Butler, PA) – Ryan Routh, with anti-Trump and pro-Ukraine views, attempted to shoot former President Donald Trump at a rally. 0 killed; 1 bystander killed by Secret Service.

January 18, 2023: Stop Cop City Arson and Shootout (Atlanta, GA) – Anarchist environmental militants firebombed police vehicles and exchanged gunfire with officers at Public Safety Training Center site. 1 killed (activist Manuel Teran); 1 officer injured; $1M+ damage.

October 28, 2022: Attack on Paul Pelosi (San Francisco, CA) – David DePape, with partial left-anarchist and anti-government motives, assaulted Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband with a hammer. 0 killed; serious injuries.

June 8, 2022: Assassination Attempt on Brett Kavanaugh (Chevy Chase, MD) – Nicholas Roske, driven by anger over Roe v. Wade leak, arrived armed to assassinate Justice Brett Kavanaugh. 0 killed; suspect arrested.

September 2–6, 2020: 2020 Riots: Rochester, NY – Riots after Daniel Prude death; looting/arson of businesses; attacks on police with bottles, fireworks. 0 killed; 100+ arrested; 50+ injured; $5M+ damage. Specific: Sept 4 – Downtown arsons.

May–September 2020: 2020 Riots: Louisville, KY – Riots over Breonna Taylor case; looting of downtown; assaults on LMPD; autonomous zone attempts. 0 killed; 200+ arrested; 70+ injured; $10M+ damage. Specific: Sept 23 – Firearms discharged during protests.

August 23–28, 2020: 2020 Riots: Kenosha, WI – Riots after Jacob Blake shooting; armed militants attacked civilians (e.g., Kyle Rittenhouse); arsons of 100+ businesses; Molotovs thrown. 0 direct left-wing kills (2 killed by Rittenhouse in response); 150+ arrested; 100+ injured; $50M+ damage. Specific: Aug 24 – Car lot arsons; Aug 25 – Assaults on armed civilians.

May 30–July 2020: 2020 Riots: Seattle, WA – CHOP/CHAZ occupation (6 blocks); armed assaults on police; internal shootings; Capitol Hill looting. 2 killed (Horace Lorenzo Anderson, Antonio Mays in zone); 5 killed overall; 200+ arrested; 50+ injured; $10M+ damage. Specific: June 20 – CHOP shooting; June 29 – Business arsons.

May 29–December 2020: 2020 Riots: Portland, OR – 100+ nights of riots targeting federal courthouse; lasers blinding officers; fireworks, Molotovs; barricades; autonomous zone attempts. 1 killed (Aaron Danielson, Aug 29); 1,000+ arrested; 1,000+ injured (police); $23M+ damage. Specific: July 15 – Courthouse explosives; Aug 8 – Knife attack on right-wing rally; Sept 5 – Justice Center firebombing.

May 29–June 6, 2020: 2020 Riots: Washington, DC – Vandalism of St. John’s Church; police vehicle arsons; assaults on Secret Service; Antifa-linked shooting of Aaron Danielson (Aug 29). 1 killed (Aaron Danielson, by Michael Reinoehl); 300+ arrested; 50+ injured; $3M+ damage. Specific: June 1 – Lafayette Square assaults.

May 29–June 2, 2020: 2020 Riots: Detroit, MI – Downtown looting/arson; attacks on DPD with rocks, Molotovs; 200+ businesses hit. 0 killed; 200+ arrested; 50+ injured; $10M+ damage. Specific: May 30 – Spirit of Detroit plaza arson.

May 30–June 2, 2020: 2020 Riots: Philadelphia, PA – Looting of 200+ stores (Wawa, jewelry); police vehicle arsons; attacks on PPD with lasers, bottles; 14 police horses injured. 1 killed (David Dorn, retired officer, in looting); 500+ arrested; 100+ injured; $30M+ damage. Specific: *May 31 – I-676 barricade arsons; June 1 – Shooting during looting.

May 30–June 8, 2020: 2020 Riots: Chicago, IL – Looting of Magnificent Mile (Nike, Apple); 25+ police injured by rocks, bricks; 18-mile vandalism stretch; 13 guns stolen from police. 0 killed; 648 arrested; 247 injured (police); $66M+ damage. Specific: May 31 – 60th St. arsons; June 1 – CPD assaults with fireworks.

May 29–June 2, 2020: 2020 Riots: Atlanta, GA – CNN Center vandalized; looting of Lenox Square mall; Wendy’s arson (June 13, Rayshard Brooks site); attacks on police with projectiles. 2 killed (Italia Kelly, Secoriea Turner in related shootings); 230 arrested; 93 injured; $20M+ damage. Specific: June 12 – Wendy’s arson; June 20 – Vehicle ramming into crowd.

May 28–June 4, 2020: 2020 Riots: New York City, NY – Looting of luxury stores (Barneys, Macy’s); assaults on NYPD with bottles, concrete; police vehicle arsons; 400+ arrests. 0 killed; 2,000+ arrested statewide; 400+ injured; $100M+ damage. Specific: May 29 – SoHo looting; June 1 – Police van arson attempt in Mott Haven.

May 29–June 8, 2020: 2020 Riots: Los Angeles, CA – Looting/arson on Rodeo Drive, Fairfax Ave; attacks on LAPD with fireworks, Molotovs; 1,000+ businesses hit. 0 killed; 400+ arrested; 500+ injured; $100M+ damage. Specific: May 30 – Fashion District warehouse arsons; June 2 – Assaults on federal agents.

May 26–June 8, 2020: 2020 Riots: Minneapolis–Saint Paul, MN – Burning of 3rd Precinct police station (May 28; 500+ rioters); looting/arson of 700+ businesses (Target, pharmacies); attacks on state patrol with rocks, bottles, Molotovs; 220 buildings destroyed. 2 killed (1 protester by National Guard, 1 civilian); 617 arrested; 600+ injured (617 police); $500M+ damage. Specific: May 27 – Mall of America looting; May 28 – Lake St. arsons; June 1 – Shooting of Jamar Nelson.

May 29–June 2020: 2020 Riots: Oakland, CA – Looting of downtown businesses; arson of police vehicles; attacks on OPD with projectiles. 1 killed (Federal officer Patrick Underwood, May 29); 150+ arrested; 70+ injured; $25M+ damage. Specific: May 30 – Courthouse vandalism.

May 30–June 2020: 2020 Riots: St. Louis, MO – Looting/arson of downtown stores; attacks on police with bricks, fireworks; looting death of David Dorn. 1 killed (David Dorn); 200+ arrested; 60+ injured; $10M+ damage. Specific: June 2 – Looting-related shooting.

May 30–June 2020: 2020 Riots: Denver, CO – Looting of Colfax Ave; arson of civic buildings; attacks on DPD with rocks, Molotovs; 100+ arrests. 0 killed; 150+ arrested; 50+ injured; $5M+ damage. Specific: May 31 – Capitol building vandalism.

May–August 2020: 2020 Riots: Smaller Cities (e.g., Madison, WI; Columbus, OH; Sacramento, CA) – Looting/arson of state capitols, businesses; assaults on police with rocks, Molotovs; 500+ incidents across 140+ cities. 0–1 killed per city (e.g., Madison: 1 protester shot); 1,000+ arrested; 500+ injured; $100M+ combined damage. Specific: Madison, June 24 – Statue toppling, police assaults; Columbus, May 30 – Statehouse vandalism.

July 13, 2019: Tacoma ICE Detention Center Attack (Tacoma, WA) – Willem Van Spronsen, an anarchist and self-identified Antifa member, firebombed the Northwest Detention Center with incendiary devices and Molotov cocktails, armed with a rifle, attempting to ignite a propane tank to free detainees. He was killed by police. 0 killed (Willem Van Spronsen killed by police); $500K+ damage to vehicles/buildings.

June 29, 2019: Antifa Knife Attack on Andy Ngo (Portland, OR) – Antifa militants stabbed journalist Andy Ngo during a protest confrontation. 0 killed; Andy Ngo hospitalized with brain bleed.

August 12, 2017: Charlottesville Counter-Protest Violence (Charlottesville, VA) – Antifa and BLM activists assaulted white nationalists with clubs and shields during counter-protests; primary incident right-wing (car attack), but left-wing assaults contributed. 0 direct left-wing kills; 19 injured in clashes; $1M+ damage.

August 14, 2017: Antifa Shooting at Patriot Prayer Rally (Portland, OR) – Antifa militants discharged firearms at Patriot Prayer members during clashes. 0 killed; 1 wounded.

June 14, 2017: Congressional Baseball Shooting (Alexandria, VA) – James Hodgkinson, a Bernie Sanders supporter and anti-Republican extremist, opened fire on Republican lawmakers at a baseball practice. 0 killed; Rep. Steve Scalise critically wounded, 4 injured.

February 1, 2017: Antifa Riot at UC Berkeley (Berkeley, CA) – Masked Antifa group rioted during Milo Yiannopoulos event, assaulted attendees, and set fires. 0 killed; 11 injured; $100K damage.
2016–2017: Antifa Assaults on Patriot Prayer Rallies (Portland, OR) – Antifa militants beat and pepper-sprayed right-wing demonstrators at multiple rallies. 0 killed; 30+ injured.

July 7, 2016: Dallas Police Ambush (Dallas, TX) – Micah Johnson, influenced by BLM anti-police rhetoric, shot officers during a protest march. 5 killed; 7 injured.

July 17, 2016: Assassination of Police Officers (Baton Rouge, LA) – Gavin Long, motivated by black separatist and anti-police ideology, ambushed and shot three officers. 3 killed; 3 injured.

2016–2017: Dakota Access Pipeline Sabotage (Standing Rock, ND) – Environmental radicals vandalized equipment and assaulted security during protests against pipeline construction. 0 killed; 20+ injured; $2M+ damage.

January 2015: University of Washington Arson (Seattle, WA) – ELF-inspired environmental radicals set fire to a lab researching genetically modified trees. 0 killed; $7M damage.

@shahnm they aren’t showing his face because it’s made up. No “agent” was in ANY danger from this woman. It’s on video.

Let’s just divorce this from ICE for a minute. The fact it was them and they created the situation is it’s own problem.

Let’s say it’s just the police. There is a woman in her car who is just there. Or a person with a phone.

The police threaten them to stop recording. Which is completely legal to do. Violating their constitutional rights. But the police officer scares them so much they try to leave. Which is what the officer wants. And the officer kills them.

You are good with police executing people who record them?

Now let’s bring back in ICE. They are not police. They have no authority to order citizens to do anything.

Also how hard is it to acknowledge bad behavior and the fact that they are not trained for this? We know they aren’t. Never mind the other problems with them.

Any rational person should look as at this and go that’s bad… We need to fix whatever made to him murdering someone. And excuses like a car moved near me doesn’t do it. Why the fuck are they even in the mindset that someone recording them is a threat? No one is attacking ICE. if what they were doing was just no one would have a problem

@shahnm @werehatrack Your list is impressive but far less than the damage that Trump has done to the US which is too long to list and will take decades if not centuries to undo.

@shahnm we. Can absolutely agree on that. The blood is directly on the hands of Trump, Miller, and Noem. The people who created this.

The people who attacked a US citizen. Make whatever excuses you want. Communities exist and are being literally attacked. You are only ok with it because you think you won’t be attacked

@unksol

Trump has violated so many laws

List them. I’ll wait. Really. Go ahead…

@zhicks1987 I agree this should you be political on its face. This agent should be prosecuted as an individual. But because it’s ICE which is now the largest federal police force ever. Their training needs to be looked at and a lot of other things like we would with any police department.

@zhicks1987 and you don’t have to like this link/the fact that it’s brian tyler cohen. But it does contain the video vs what they are saying.

In court he may getaway with the PTSD excuse. Or the stress of the moment. But he was not touched. He was to the side. And this situation should not have been created in the first place. And we know what created it. We knew it was coming

@unksol @zhicks1987 Here’s a better link to JD Vance’s comments.

https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/2009336334675324991?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^2009336334675324991|twgr^cd0f826d719da3d448c6d6bde4a7aba74318260d|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Face.mu.nu%2F

@shahnm @zhicks1987 I do not have. You are wrong. Period. The manual for ICE says to not approach a vehicle from the front. And this asshole was holding his phone. Your options are send this asshole to jail as a one-off. Or admit ICE is fucked up.

@shahnm @unksol There are blurred lines when it comes to police justice. I despise the militirization of police forces across the globe. Trying to run over a police officer will get you shot everywhere.

@shahnm @zhicks1987 except that’s clearly not what happened. She drove AWAY from an ICE officer. Not TRIED TO RUN OVER. And you know that is true if you watch the video.

You could argue that this officer made a poor decision based on his PTSD. Which gets down to the poor training/screening of ICE. There was no reason for him to be in front of her to start. Have his gun drawn. All of this is against training.

Period.

Then the president and DHS calls her a domestic terrorist and part of a planned network. To justify their failure.Fuck that bullshit

@unksol @zhicks1987 If he had ptsd that bad, he should not have been working in a situation that could aggravate it

@ironcheftoni @unksol @zhicks1987 The military will retire a boot as disabled with PTSD that impairs their effectiveness. I know a couple of them. One is a neighbor, and I have to keep an eye on him; he’s got issues. They’re a mess, and they know it. I knew a third, but eventually it all got to be too much and he ended himself. That’s been happening a lot in our military and among our veterans, and it directly reflects on the realities of what we’ve created with our historically fucked up foreign policy.

@unksol @werehatrack @zhicks1987

@ironcheftoni @werehatrack @zhicks1987 and the VA should absolutely be doing more. It took forever to acknowledge the burn pits and Iraq issues. There was also a whole thing where they got scammed by compounding pharmacies but.

I straight up do not believe this guy had PTSD. He punched in someone’s window who obviously tried to flee an attack…like anyone would. He caused that incident. He caused this one. Period.

That’s just the kindest excuse we can make for him. And then he should have been off the streets

@shahnm @zhicks1987 it was not body cam footage. It was the agent recording on his phone. Remember they refuse to use bodycams against Court orders.

That video clearly shows her turning her wheels away from him. Even though he walked in front of her car. Which is against their training. Something they are never supposed to do. Per their policy. Hence untrained.

He caused this. Period

In his phone video she backed up, steered away from him. He stepped to the side, cleared the path. And murdered her. Then called her a fucking bitch.

I’m not debating facts with you when you are going to lie

@unksol @zhicks1987 No matter how many angles, no matter how clear the reality of the situation… You can’t do it - you cannot see anything other than what you want – need – to see. This shit will never end…

@shahnm @zhicks1987
Growing up in church and knowing the Bible is not the same as the corruption the is being used today. IDK where I fall now. I know Trump has corrupted the entire idea. I know there are good churches that actually know what the Bible says. Which you clearly don’t.

And I know its ok to say fuck.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Sorry you don’t like it

@shahnm at no point have I claimed to be christ like. I have only pointed out the fact that you. And they. Are flat out lying. And that in doing so envoking Christiananty. Which is very very sad

@MrGoodGuy The Post is known to accept and publish unverified (and cherry-picked) material. I’d take that with a bulk freighter load of salt until a more reliable source adds whatever context they’ve omitted. .

@werehatrack It took a while, but I finally found the actual video taken by a bystander:

Here is the page it’s posted on (It’s halfway down the page):

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15446793/ICE-Jonathan-Ross-shooting-Renee-Nicole-Good.html

@MrGoodGuy Classic example of grief-driven survivor guilt. She did not cause this, the person who pulled the trigger was the proximate aggressor, and those who directed the mess are ultimately the ones who ought to be held fully accountable.

@shahnm When citizens find it necessary to unite against out-of-control government in defense of other citizens, who’s to blame? Or have you forgotten Ruby Ridge and the rest?

@werehatrack The citizens were not united in support of “other citizens”. They were united in support of illegal criminals. There is a difference. It is not a subtle difference.

@shahnm ICE has warrantlessly invaded, detained, and even expelled US citizens on multiple occasions. They have demonstrated an agency-wide lawlessness that endangers everyone including citizens. Any act to obstuct them is an act in protection of the rest of us.

And OBTW, it was murder.

@werehatrack Nope.

https://revolver.news/2026/01/new-info-surrounding-the-real-renee-good-changes-everything/

@werehatrack I just watched your video. Really?? You will not only believe anything, you will believe anyone who tells you what you want to see and hear…

The car was thrown into reverse. It was then abruptly thrown into drive. The rear tires began spinning as Good gunned the engine. The ICE agent reacted to the rapidly developing imminent threat.

I reiterate that it is not the obligation of law enforcement or any other individuals to die in order for their families to later learn whether or not someone with a dangerous weapon in fact intended to use it for harm or if their hostile act was just coincidental.

The agent quickly assessed the threat and acted as he should have acted. We’re never going to know Good’s intentions, but it was right and proper in the heat of the moment for the agent to choose to save himself and possibly others.

Good should never have been there. She shouldn’t have brandished her car as a weapon. She shouldn’t have had to die for being stupidly caught up in a stupid movement in defense of indefensible criminal activity. I just can’t fucking even anymore…

@f00l
“I Don’t Think We’re In Kansas Anymore”

My senses are torn from reality of all the loved ones dead around me, a baptism in glass, now I want to fucking know
What is divine, show me a sign, the blood is starting to thicken
All of the love and everything done and this is how I’m repaid
The lifeless eyes of my children and wife screaming that the fault is mine
Where are you now
Darkness falling my skins crawling out of reach with swollen hands
Broken and bled
Empty and dead
What a convention of lies and deception
Fury is consuming me
And I ask why and I ask for who
Disposal of the chosen few
Why
Hold on
Faith is your insignia, does devotion have your answers, false hope has left you lifeless, voices are all I hear
Where are you now
I am doomed
Why must I exist in this living Hell
Doomed
A story I wished I never lived to tell
Doomed
Lower them into the ground
Heads to the west, feet to the east
Ground
Hold on
Hold on

@f00l @therealjrn just cause I love the resistor pun as an electrical engineer… Even though I just code now. And AI will fuck everything up

@Cerridwyn oh the very obvious answer to the Fermi Paradox is that they sent scout ships and were like “oh fuck no”

@unksol zephram cochrane would just still be a drunk science guy.

@Cerridwyn technically per cannon we still need world war 3 to come to our senses. Some people seem to be trying pretty hard to get there.

@unksol true dat

@unksol 2026 in fact

@therealjrn I saw this last week:

And this last month:

Both flying at 3000 ft over a major metro area. Are they just trying to scare me? It’s working.

@therealjrn Come on, guys. Peek, not peak.

@zhicks1987 They also said they “planes” to be there. That one might have been on purpose.

@zhicks1987
last time I can remember was around 9/11… for a little while.

@chienfou @zhicks1987 I don’t think we all have to agree on everything.

It should be simple to agree that this administration is actively and intentionally damaging the country. The world. And if they are not stopped we will lose all the respect we have built over decades.

And fuck the billionaire tech bros

@unksol @zhicks1987
I’d settle for civility

@chienfou @zhicks1987 if you can convince them to be civil then 100%. They have chosen a different park

@MrGoodGuy Trump already did- pardoned all those insurrectionists who beat up the capitol police on January 6th. Regardless of the reason for being there. they committed crimes by assaulting an officer. But obvious that is OK with you. PROVE ME WRONG.

@Felton10 Too bad Nancy Piglosi refused the National Guard Trump offered; may have helped the Capital police to “fend off” the fine and honorable patriots!

@MrGoodGuy

@Felton10 said: “Lies, name calling and insults”. Sounds exactly like what the paid ICE “protesters” in MN and elsewhere are spewing.

@Felton10 @MrGoodGuy Speaking about speaking up:

@MrGoodGuy Think you forgot to include Trump on your list of “lies, name calling and insults”. He was the one who started this trend. PROVE ME WRONG.

@Felton10 There was no need to include your nemesis since Trump is the most sincere and HONEST President that America has ever seen! He’s even more honest than Lincoln was!!

@MrGoodGuy this is so confusing. Why is the antichrist arresting satan? One of those son of the devil movies? You know where dad is fine ruling hell but the son wants to rule earth?

The corrupt Christians in the back praying for Armageddon at least makes some sense

@Cerridwyn Duh! It’s about imported Somalians!!

@Cerridwyn @MrGoodGuy

@Cerridwyn @MrGoodGuy @shahnm look dude. You can lie if you want.

@Cerridwyn @MrGoodGuy @unksol But I don’t want. I have no need to…

@Ignorant Then please make this thread go away and never do politics at Meh again.

Oh, come on @Ignorant! We’re so close!
/showme so close

@therealjrn Here’s the image you requested for “so close”

@mediocrebot yup, that about sums it up, bot.

@Ignorant I reached this conclusion around 1987. (Maybe earlier. Maybe a lot earlier.) It’s why I seldom participate.

@MrGoodGuy Here’s the image you requested for “realistic people in their homes looking anxiously out their windows as their trees and power line…”

@mediocrebot Nailed it Mr. Bot! (Edit: except for the lady in the lower right with 5 fingers + a thumb! )

@mediocrebot @MrGoodGuy
I can confirm this. I feel really seen and validated by your post.

@mediocrebot @MrGoodGuy @therealjrn
Right… AI slop eating up the power that you need in an emergency…

And praying when it’s too late instead of dealing with reality.

I seem to remember a principal of doing the best you can first.

@mediocrebot @MrGoodGuy @therealjrn @unksol I have some flavor Aid if anybody wants to try it

@mediocrebot @MrGoodGuy @unksol

Thank you @Cerridwyn for properly crediting the Flavor Aid conglomerate.

@MrGoodGuy ️️️️️

@shahnm watch the unedited videos before you drink the Kool-Aid. Oh wait you already did

@Cerridwyn Yes I already watched the unedited videos. The asshole started pulling a gun. The ICE agents yelled “Gun! Gun!”. Then they did what they were supposed to do.

It is very, very easy not to die by cop or ICE agent: Don’t charge them with a car. Don’t pull a gun on them. Don’t threaten them when they’re doing the righteous job America hired them to do. This is really not that complicated.

@Cerridwyn @shahnm again you are flat out lying. So anything you say going forward is garbage.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/us/minneapolis-shooting-ice

I walk around with a USP45 and 3 spare mags and no one can see them. I’m not a terrorist

Heard about the 2nd amendment? Maybe? You don’t get to murder me because I legally conceal carry.

And no matter what you say. Federal agents created the situation. They disarmed him. They murdered him.

And than the trump administration started lying. And you bought their bullshit.

@Cerridwyn @unksol Whoa - I just noticed that you quoted the NYT as a defense of your misguided rant. Ha HA HA HAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAA…

You are too much. Really.

@Cerridwyn @shahnm @unksol Top-Notch “news” source you referenced there Unk Sol: NY Slimes. Pulitzer Prize worthy even!

@Thumperchick Look, I say this with the greatest of love for Meh, and much appreciation for what you and the other Poobahs do for Meh: Please either delete this thread entirely, or have the balls/ovaries to leave the posts intact (excepting any specific egregious attacks, etc). Deleting posts en masse, including whatever counterpoints they contained, is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

I hate this thread. I don’t think Meh should have a political thread. But if Meh chooses to go this route, then Meh should have the integrity to own the shit-pile that this thread becomes. Deleting all of what you deleted doesn’t make this better, it makes it censored, which is so, so much worse.

@shahnm @Thumperchick I favor the “delete entirely, and forbid politics on this forum” option. Meh is not obliged to provide a platform.

@Thumperchick Real talk: why is this thread even here? Meh is a deal-a-day discount site. There are oodles of political forums on the Internet; why does Meh need such a thread? Almost all of what I have skimmed through here is replies to posts from the same one user, that always devolve into arguments. What’s the point?

@PooltoyWolf @Thumperchick It’s containment so politics don’t spill over into other threads. It was created after a thread about coffee got heated (heh).

@Thumperchick @zhicks1987 Personally, I’d just ban any and all overtly political banter altogether. There are plenty of places for it; this doesn’t need to be one of them.

@Felton10

@MrGoodGuy I know posting that gets you off, but it doesn’t make a bit of difference. He was still murdered by untrained Trump Gestapo thugs.

@Felton10 He was neutralized, not “murdered”. That prevented any further danger to the fantastic agents assuring they could go home that evening.

@Felton10 @MrGoodGuy

Now CNN is confirming the same info:

Since it’s behind their paywall, here’s some key details:

@MrGoodGuy I can’t even begin to figure out what in you head would allow tackling someone to the ground for kicking a taillight.

Never mind pinning them down and executing them 2 weeks later.

And CBP has a documented history of stepping in front of vehicles. Against their training. Specifically so they can justify shooting people.

If I disarmed, pepper sprayed, then executed a guy I got in a road rage incident with 2 weeks ago I would be in jail. You hold a civil enforcement agency to a pathetically low standard. And literally are betraying your ied in the constitution it you ever
Had one

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No name calling or attacking other members

@MrGoodGuy So you have literally nothing. If you assault someone for breaking a taillight you go to jail. Never mind coming back and murdering them for trying to pick a woman up. Who was being attacked by masked thugs.

You’ll also note that gang just jumped out and tackled him. They did not arrest him or charge him. They just attacked him. Than left. Over a taillight on their rental.

That’s not acceptable behavior from a guy in a road rage incident. Nevermind civil law enforcement

@unksol Oh, I have PLENTY! Just not worth wasting my time on a lost cause. Have a wonderful day my friend!

@MrGoodGuy yep. Done with your violence.

Your argument is that if you committed minor property damage I’m allowed to violently assault you with a gang. And if you get in my way I’m allowed to pin you down and execute you. I happen to disagree. The fact that you think you should be able to do that to me speaks volumes

@unksol OK Kreskin. Sweet delusional dreams dear friend.

@MrGoodGuy @unksol

@kykazaa

@kykazaa

@MrGoodGuy this is the truth

@kykazaa well no one was talking about abortion or gun control? Anywhere in this thread.

No one has a disagreement with arresting or deporting criminals. But that’s not what’s happening.

Bringing up God… Honestly because of the people we are dealing with seems at best disengenous.

I grew up in the church. Probably very much like you.

Bald face lying is wrong. This administration lies constantly. This is not debatable.

They said they wanted the worst of the worst. They are grabbing people at random and violating the Constitution. Constantly.

They are grabbing US citizens which is illegal.

You want to talk about gun laws? A US citizen who worked as a veteran administration ICU nurse and had a concealed carry permit was disarmed and executed by the same people who preach there should be no gun laws, and support a kid violating gun laws. Crossing State lines illegally and murdering people.

I carry. I’m not antigun. They say it’s ok to murder you for that. That you deserve it if you didn’t agree with their hatred.

The problem you have here is that they do not compromise. They have decided that the constitutional rights that apply to everyone are only for them. And they can take them by force from anyone they don’t like.

That’s the reality. I think it would benefit you to look closer.

My position is the constitution. Which we have stood by for 200 years. Theirs was. That’s all they could say before. Now it’s to rip it up and everyone who isn’t them is the enemy and they should be allowed to attack them. Beat them. Abduct them. Murder them.

And they are so bad at it that Obama deported more than they are with all their violence.

Dude I’m not mad at you. I understand your point. You just do not understand the people who want these attrocaties. Who are rooting for violence and hatred.

They are not Christian in any sense of the word. And if you are you know better than to think what is happening is right

@unksol @kykazaa Were you trying to make a valid point or just overloaded with leftist talking points and had to unload so you could digest more of their propaganda?? You heard the OP; COMPROMISE!

@MrGoodGuy your not involved in this conversation and you have left no points to compromise. I am the center. You are destroying the constitution. By lying. You don’t negotiate liars.

Or debate Christianity with people who haven’t read the Bible and use it as a weapon for evil

@kykazaa on the other hand wanted to talk

@kykazaa @unksol Why bother trying to “make a point” when it’s instantly deemed “a lie” by you?? You are incapable of a reasonable discussion due to your ingrained resistance to anything truthful or logical. I’ll leave you and the OP to have your “talk” and just sit here and eat my popcorn while enjoying your hysterics and your perceived injustices happening in this Country. Please pardon my interruption. Carry on.

@unksol I didn’t take either side. I said we need more compromise. Yes I lean towards one side, but I want to see us compromise. You don’t seem to come across that way.

@MrGoodGuy @unksol as a side note, happy to discuss anything and everything about the bible. So many people take passages out of context and ignore the message.

@kykazaa @MrGoodGuy give me a point than. I haven’t said anything controversial and idk where you get the leftist crap.

the problem is what is there to compromise on here? The Constitution is the line you do not cross. What they preached. They are crossing it.

And they are fundamentally violating laws. That is wrong. Period. There’s nothing to compromise on illegal and morally wrong things.

And the worst is that they hold up the Bible as a prop to justify their anti christ actions.

@MrGoodGuy @unksol the problem is that you see that 100% of the problem is the border patrol and the current administration. There is enough blame to go around. If we look at the two incidents, I agree the killing of Mr Preeti isn’t clearly justified. However, he did engage the officers first. Admittedly, he was defending someone else, but he engaged them first. If you don’t believe me, watch the video, he stuck his hands in the way and then the officers engaged him. The situation is tense (which is being pushed by the agitators) to make it more difficult for someone having to make split second judgment calls. Once the officers engaged, the pushed Mr Preeti to the ground and one officer yelled “gun” (a clear fact) which also put the officers that much more on edge. The officer removed the weapon and Mr Preeti appears to resist. From here, one of the officers must have seen something and opened fire. The investigation will need to ascertain what he saw, but clearly it wasn’t a second gun and the only gun was already off the scene. Did the officers make a mistake. Yes. Did they fear for their lives. Quite possibly. We don’t know and we need to let the justice system determine the fault, not try the whole situation in the court of public opinion. I’m sure there is enough blame on both sides that could have prevented this tragedy, but time and investigation will tell. The problem with the left is they don’t want to wait for the justice system to determine the outcome. But isn’t the justice system part of the constitution you claim to defend? Ever heard of due process? If so, stop shouting and let the judicial system do its job. If you don’t believe in the constitution, feel free to keep rushing to judgment. Again, my discussion was about finding compromise, you’ve not offered any compromise, just one sided perspective. Which again seems to be a hallmark of the left.

@kykazaa @MrGoodGuy so here’s the problem with that. The entire administration immediately lied.

Your point is “the entire left rushed to judgement”

That’s not what happened. This entire administration immediately lied. Demonized a man defending a woman.

And it is never under any circumstances acceptable to do what these officers did. Every police officer will tell you that. They used bad tactics. They created the situation.

The situation they created was unnecessary and contrary to the things they say.

So yes. I’m not willing to compromise on illegal and immoral actions.

The points you’re making are actually my points. That its the policy is abhorrent. It is intended to drive conflict. It is specifically designed to generate rage bait and it is specifically designed to generate fear.

You are giving credit where it’s not due. ALL police training says to not stand in the path of a car. CBP has a documented in court pattern of intentionally doing this so they can shoot people.

There is no reason to do what he did other than too intimidate people

I understand you’re applying the "look cops have a very stressful job and in that split second… " Which I get.

But when that happens there are investigations and if needed trials. They have just said they are immune and can do whatever they want. They don’t care about excessive force. If they don’t like you they can do whatever they want. Ignore the murders. That’s the policy that created them. I know you can’t believe that is good?

CBP/ICE are NOT law enforcement. They are civil enforcement. They have no excuse and they are not confronting violent criminals in Minnesota. They are attacking people. They try and grab off duty police because they are not white.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/20/immigration-agents-minnesota-police-officer/88268058007/

You must know this is wrong?

I completely understand the knee jerk reaction to defend the police and your way of life. Which isn’t changing. But this is not police. They had no business engaging. Or being there. They are doing an absolutely shit job. Look at the policy that is causing this

@kykazaa @MrGoodGuy and the immigration issue can be divorced entirely. The government is violating the constitution and the law and sending out thugs to stomp on your neck if you don’t agree with them.

That’s the fundamental problem. We disagree. We debate. We progress. Have for almost 250 years. This is very very different. A president trying to sic the military on the population

@kykazaa @MrGoodGuy never mind the billions of dollars we are giving ICE and the corrupt things they are doing making them better funded than the FBI and most militaries. It sounds like your heart is in the right place. I’ve got an AWANA citation in the closet if you want to go bible.

I’m just… Needing christians to see the lies AND the corruption/weaponization.

@unksol If I’m not a part of this conversation, as you stated earlier, why do you keep tagging me?? It appears that @kykazaa has a great interpretation of you and can engage you quite efficiently. He may have even tuned you out since you’ve now posted 3 times without a reply. Enjoy your ranting my good friend!

@kykazaa @MrGoodGuy ffs. You know how the quote system works on meh.

I did specifically remove you so have a conversation with @kykazaa

You chose to jump back in. Because you chose to jump back in you get tagged

If you would like to bring up a valid point please do so. I’m going to be more sceptical because of the baseline. You if you can admit that some of the things you parroted were lies. We could go from there.

Again I’m not mad at you dude. But it’s required to admit when people fuck up

@kykazaa @unksol You want a Valid Point? OK, Jesus Christ is Lord of ALL and the ONLY WAY to Heaven. God Bless you my AWANA Citation recipient!!

@MrGoodGuy @unksol great, as you are well versed in the Bible (at least as a youth), let’s go there. How do you interpret this?

“Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭13‬:‭1‬-‭7‬ ‭NIV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/111/rom.13.1-7.NIV

And remember, what started all of this is a flood of immigration that is illegal (per congress, not per me or this administration) and the administration is enforcing those laws (because some governors refuse to uphold the law). I will admit, I don’t like how this administration is enforcing those laws anymore than you do, but it is enforcement. Period. If you don’t like the law, vote, call your congressman, but don’t engage with law enforcement and get in their way (and yes CBP is law enforcement. They are enforcing immigration LAW, not some civil discourse. Agree, they are not police, but they are still charged with enforcing the laws of congress around immigration). And before you send a love your neighbor message, I do. There is a legal process for immigration. It is there to accept those willing to abide by our laws. And the love your neighbor command is meant for individuals, not for the government. You don’t share the gospel through the government, you share it by making a difference to those you interact with. And the whole reason we are here is to point people back to Christ. Curious on your thoughts.

@kykazaa I agree 100%!!

@kykazaa it just dumped my reply so this one may be shorter.

But romans is written under the boot of the romans. It is a pastor talking to his flock. And telling them they are the minority. They should keep their heads down. So they can spread the faith. Some are going to die. You have to take it and they will be judged in heaven.

This is a white. Nationalist “Christian” administration.

That does not believe a single word in the Bible. They use it as a cudgle. The way the romans used the Catholic Church. I’m sure your aware of their crimes Against humanity?

The way Christianity spread was kindness. I’m gonna be lazy here
https://biblestudyforyou.com/bible-verses-about-sinning-against-others/

But the entire new testament is based on be kind. Our societal norms are built on be kind. Reach people. Other than revelations. And this entire administration obviously doesn’t believe that. Or they wouldn’t behave like they do

And most people are not practicing christians. They still have that societal norm. They are still kind.

So to be an absolute… And pretend to be Christian is… Fucking disgusting. There’s some good sections on charlatans in revelations actually

@unksol first off, the government is not Christian. Period. Some of the individuals claim they have faith, but like you, I doubt highly in their true faith vs just trying to win votes. I do not back the government because it is Christian. Period. That said, Romans still fully applies. There is NO authority which God has not allowed. Please note, this isn’t to say that God backs them, but he allowed them. Whether that be to challenge our growth or to provide us relief, He allows it.

I also agree that most people that claim to be Christian really don’t know what that means. I disagree however that most people are kind. People lie, cheat, steal and complain to get their way. Especially politicians.

If you really think the New Testament is all about being kind, you really haven’t studied it much. The story is about the new covenant between Christ and the church and the sharing and advancement of the gospel. Paul called out the churches that weren’t adhering to Christ’s commands, he didn’t say just be kind. Christ called people out when they sinned (in a gentle way), but he told them to “go and sin no more”…to change their ways. To repent. He turned over the money changers tables because of what they had done to the temple. None of that was to “be kind”. It was “tell the truth”. The truth of the Gospel. The truth of God’s word. The truth that not all things are permissible. Something many people in our country have lost.

As I stated at the onset of my post. The problem with our country is that we kicked God out. Neither side will solve it until we come back to Him. My post was also about compromise, but you’ve made it abundantly clear you aren’t interested in compromise. You see the world one way and have no interest in listening to the other side. If you are a Christian (which I think you are), read your Bible, pray daily and God bless. I’m shaking the dust off my feet on this one.

@kykazaa honestly I’m not sure what your point is here? Like how is this relevant to the current political situation?

You seem to not care. Which is fine. There is no coming back to God. That’s a false narrative. The idea that we are a Christian nation and therefore superior is what has allowed the current corruption.

You specifically call out christ rebellion flipping the tables in the temple… But that was in his father’s house. Granted the things they are doing in his name are… Disgusting

But yep it’s a shit show.

I’m still not sure where you would like a compromise? You don’t compromise on the constitution. At that point you have run out of room.

Regardless. Please enjoy your Sunday.

The reviews are in, and they’re brutal. Brett Ratner‘s $75 million documentary about Melania Trump has received a miserable 6 percent rating among critics on Rotten Tomatoes, making it one of the worst-reviewed films in recent memory.

Released this weekend, the Melania documentary has been absolutely eviscerated by entertainment journalists. The film’s dismal score sits below even the infamous 2019 musical Cats, which at least managed to scrape together a 19% rating.

@earlyre Don’t have time to watch this yet, but everything Alec does is wonderful! Will watch during Svengoolie commercial breaks.

@earlyre @mossygreen
It was a LOOONG one and I put it off. But there are very obvious points.

The oil industry has been doing propaganda since they were slightly regulated in the 1900s. If not for these fucked up companies the entire US would be running on hydro/nuclear. Preferably nuclear.

But now we have wind and solar which is cheaper and this admin is killing all the massive progress we have made and pretending we conquered a country for oil Exxon doesn’t want

@earlyre

@earlyre he makes some interesting points. I’d have to run the math, but honestly I think if solar was as economically feasible as he surmises, someone would have capitalized on it. I think we’re close, but I don’t think he was as transparent about the math (he said he “overlooked” the land and labor costs). Also, his diatribe about republicans lying…democrats lie just as much. It’s a problem with our two party system and the fact that our politicians make money off stocks. We need to fix the system by enacting term limits and blocking investments of politicians (this includes Trump and the presidency). If they weren’t incentivized by the big companies, they might actually work for us. I do agree, we all have to get out and vote. And vote in the primaries, where we can weed out some of the extremists from our candidate pool. We all need to do better at that.

In the end, it was a long video, but honestly it made me think of buying some land in FL and building a solar farm, then selling power to the grid. I just don’t the financials are as clean as he says or others would be doing it.

@earlyre @kykazaa I mean… Yes the numbers are rough estimates but because we are dealing with scales of magnitude for them to be wrong that’s usually acceptable.

But obviously it’s posted here for a different reason and I absolutely concur.

We don’t need to agree. We just need to agree that what is happening is wrong. We can figure out the rest later

@earlyre @kykazaa also trump just ordered us to run military bases off coal… When what we have is a metric ton of NG that is way easier to deal with. Cleaner…

Just… Never mind what canceling projects in the middle costs.

@MrGoodGuy yes. More lies threats.
That will do it.
Do you even have any morals?

You know what else might stop it? Not illegally assaulting people.

so fucking weird

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@Thumperchick I believe this comment from @unksol would classify as “name calling”; what do you think?

@MrGoodGuy @unksol I remember when you threatened to reveal my identity under your previous name. Doubt if you have changed your spots and you are definitely not a “Good Guy” as your name claims.

@MrGoodGuy you think executing people is ok. Someone calling the that weird offends you? That’s fucking weird dude

@Felton10 @unksol OH NO!! THE TWIN LEFTIST ARE DOUBLE-TEAMING ME!! HELP!!!

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@MrGoodGuy @unksol You didn’t deny what I said so it must be true.

@Felton10 YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!

@MrGoodGuy again not a leftist. That’s calling names. I asked you to provide a point to compromise or discuss. You have given none this entire time. You don’t get to claim to want a discussion when you don’t. That’s very very weird

@unksol Uh-huh. Sure. Have a Blessed Sunday!

@unksol Trump had no option but to close it with the lack of performances and people attending them but the final straw was after he dropped that BOMB of his wife’s documentary on it over the weekend.

We all know Trump doesn’t like to lose and does everything he can to get erase anything that puts him in an unfavorable light, rewrite history or get even with those who have wronged him. He has such a fragile ego that he can never admit he did anything wrong.

@therealjrn Ok, this is a big win. Going in my “fun” url.

@MrGoodGuy Not any worse than Trump seizing Georgia election ballots from the 2020 election because his fragile ego will not allow to admit he lost the election even though no proof what-so-ever of improper voting and more than 60 court cases going against him.

@Felton10

@MrGoodGuy

@MrGoodGuy @shahnm Old news bucko or maybe you and the Orange Skidmark keep going back to it since the country is so fucked up now with nothing good to report.

Maybe you should be asking Trump’s supporters why they still think he is competent to be President given his swollen legs, bruises on his hands, falling asleep at meetings, constantly making errors in his speeches (calling Greenland Iceland 4 times) or him not even knowing he had a CT scan telling everyone it was an MRI (what type of mental defective doesn’t know what type of test was performed on him and why?)

@Felton10 There you go, embarrassing yourself again…

You thought Biden was competent. You voted for him and his (somehow) less competent replacement.

I rest my case.

@shahnm [Redacted]

Until I saw Biden’s debate non performance, myself and lot of other people were not aware how bad he had fallen-for that I will never forgive him. Had it been known and admitted earlier, a more democratic process would have been available to select the best person to run against someone who is clearly in worst shape than Biden ever was and is getting worse every day.

And since Trump’s condition is getting worse before our very eyes, your inability to admit or even mention this shows your lack of credibility in mentioned anything about Biden which I will remind you again is old news.

Tell me something other than closing the border than the racist Orange pervert has done to make this country better and make us proud to be American.

And BTW-it is becoming more and more obvious that Malaria knows all about his perversion re underage girls with Epstein-that is why she wants nothing to do with him same as why Melinda divorced Bill Gates.

@Felton10 @shahnm Must be hard to function everyday with your non-stop obsession of everything Trump is doing. Why not try a fun hobby so you can relax and enjoy life instead of being so hostile over the Best President EVER??

@Felton10 I didn’t comment about Trump at all. It’s not productive trying to have a rational conversation with you about him. You will continue to rant your terminal-level TDS irrespective of what anyone says or shows you.

I agree with @MrGoodGuy - go find something rewarding, productive, fun, or at least relaxing to do. Whether or not you will ever agree about Trump’s merits (spoiler alert: you will not), why ride out your remaining healthy good years this way??

@MrGoodGuy @shahnm Since neither of you refuted any of the points I made, I assume either you can’t or agree with me.

And how can it be TDS to be concerned about someone who is fucking up this country for his own glorification and enrichment. I would be more concerned about those who are oblivious to how much damage he is doing to this country. Guess they won’t wake up until it effects them directly, but by then it might be too late.

@Felton10 @shahnm Oh, “the points” you believe you made are easily refutable. But why bother? You’re incapable of straying from your perceived “truth” so any retort to the contrary is immediately dismissed. BTW, it’s “affects” not “effects”. Hope you proof-read your client’s taxes before submitting them!

@Felton10 @MrGoodGuy

Since neither of you refuted any of the points I made

Two things, Felton10:

1 Consider every such point auto-refuted. The effort to actually put those Felton10-refutations into text is not worth any more time. You have an impenetrable barrier against rational thought, clear logic, and plain truth. It’s remarkable.

2 “Points”… Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha…

As a footnote to 1 – sometimes, if you’re lucky and I’m feeling generous, I’ll post an appropriate comic or meme in response to one of your - what did you call them? - oh yes… points… HA HA HA HA HA

@MrGoodGuy @shahnm OK so it is worth your time to search moronic idiotic cartoons to post, but not worth your time to refute substantive points. Typical response from someone who has nothing.

@Felton10 @MrGoodGuy

“…substantive…”

@Felton10 @MrGoodGuy

“…points…”

@Felton10 @shahnm No need to search for them because they are EVERYWHERE!! Just need to copy and paste old man. EZ Peasy!!

@Felton10 @MrGoodGuy

@MrGoodGuy Most instructors will tell you to inform the police immediately. Whether you legally have to or not depends on the state.

@MrGoodGuy @zhicks1987

Most REPUBLICAN states have made it so you don’t even have to have a CCW. You can carry without one. With NO training.

Also stop gaslighting people. He was was not reaching for it. He was just daily carrying like millions of us do and he was picking a woman up when THEY pulled it out of his holster and shot him.

And ICE is not law enforcement. It’s civil. And OMG the shit you would have if feds did this to someone on your side

@unksol You’re still alive? Welcome back good buddy!

@MrGoodGuy nope. Good and dead. Just the first of many to haunt you. You’re probably into that though

@MrGoodGuy A Jojo pic is somehow supposed to make up for the grooming right’s Epstein files?! (In which Trump is referenced over 38,000 times.)

@mehvid1 @MrGoodGuy

@mehvid1 Did you PERSONALLY go through the files yourself or are you just parroting the alleged number your leftist newsrag made up??

@MrGoodGuy @shahnm oh, yeah. Bring on the memes. I can’t believe you guys still want to be apologists for these people. I want to see everyone brought down who was involved. Trump is obviously in there a ton, but if Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, et al., are not just mentioned, but actually guilty of any crimes or conspiracy to commit crimes, they should all face the harshest punishments.

@shahnm tRump “happens to have been social contemporary” of “their” spiritual leader?! LOL. Talk about twisting yourself into knots to rationalize the behavior of PedoOTUS…. He and anyone else involved will hopefully get their due before they die as well as after.

Why, pray yell, did the Liar-In-Chief fight so hard against the release of the files, twisting arms to have votes against it, right up until the outcome was clearly not going to go his way? And why didn’t he get all the Rs to vote how he would’ve liked? Pretty clear that America wanted to see them, so these “brave” GOP’ers were just worried about their own next election, or maybe a few had a crisis of conscience? The fact that we still had many members voting against the release is a testament to how warped the legislature is.

It’s very telling that, for so many, this is just tribalism at its most base level. “We’re not leftists.”

@mehvid1 Remember, it was the leftist judges (but I mostly repeat myself), who repeatedly blocked the release of the files months ago…

@mehvid1 @shahnm no. It is the Trump department of justice who refuses to comply with a congressional bipartisan bill… That trump had to sign. But they are disobeying the law

Judges have not been involved on this. Court cases are too slow

It would of course be illegal but that’s not the issue

@MrGoodGuy Hail Epstein’s best buddy before Epstein “stole” a young woman from Trump at Mar-a-Lago!

@mehvid1 @MrGoodGuy

@MrGoodGuy @shahnm yes, you have!

@shahnm more memes, bots. More memes!

@mehvid1 Brilliant comebacks, lib. Really. You represent your ilk with the kind of style and substance that must make @Felton10 a little moist!

@shahnm well done. No answer whatsoever. Enjoy your memes and your Kid {ew} halftime show!

@shahnm right…. I don’t know Felton, but you and the •Good Guy• certainly seem to enjoy each other’s company in a weird way. Cheers, boys. Hopefully American democracy survives this authoritarian wannabe dictatorship that the right has wrought upon us all. People may be mad at ICE, but we had ICE long before the current administration with barely a whisper of the current issues. I’m done with what you and “your ilk” (Really? That tired line? Just trying to stay within the boundaries of the forum rules, are we?) seem to try to pass off as debate (lame memes, lumping everyone who disagrees together, etc., etc.).

@mehvid1 This isn’t an Airport; no need to announce your departure!!

@mehvid1

@MrGoodGuy haha. Are you 80+ or just have no imagination or original thoughts whatsoever?

@MrGoodGuy if a comment thread within a topic gets locked, those go away for that thread. You are free to reply or whisper to unlocked comment threads or start a new one like you did here.

@Ignorant Ah, selective censorship instead of a blanket one eh? Good to know. Thanks!

@MrGoodGuy sure

@Cerridwyn Oh catchy toe tappin tune!

12 feet deep

Fun fact, when you have a body you need dissappeared, dig your hole 12 feet deep, place body, then fill to six feet deep, place your choice of large animal carcass (big dog, pig, etc) and finish filling the grave.

That way the cadaver dogs will hit on it, but the investigators will think it’s an animal grave and keep looking!
/giphy The More You Know

@Cerridwyn
*Allegedly

@matthewjfazio Given the totally erroneous assumption you made about those who hate Trump, I expect you and the others who support Trump will find some way to insult, degrade and not to respond to my post in a positive fashion.

Those who support Trump seem to do so by posting editorial cartoons with some regularity rather than giving a concrete reason for their support of him. When I do post specifics and ask them to respond, they either ignore me or say it is a waste of time to response to me as nothing is going the change my mind. Maybe. But I don’t expect someone who posts editorial cartoons to express their thoughts to be able to have the ability or want to respond in a clear and coherent manner.

The only thing that might change their mind is if some of his policies effect them directly. Lets ask someone who got fired due to Trump’s government work force cut backs or someone who or a family member has suffered a medical issue by following the advice of RFJ Jr. re not getting vaccinated or his other non medical treatments and see if their opinion of Trump has changed.

@matthewjfazio I presented a scientifically researched article here 2 days ago explaining the origin of TDS.

Did “they” follow the science?? Hell no, they deleted it and CENSORED me!

It’s so hard to get the truth out!

@Felton10 Thank you for further proving my point by showing my “erroneous assumption” to have merit.

Good day to you, sir.

@therealjrn They sure hate him, that’s for sure. Like… really hate him, in a “all consuming” way.

@matthewjfazio False. Trump supporters make him their entire identity. They are infatuated with him. To them, he is infallible and the greatest and best at everything. They gobble-up his lies, laugh at his AI shit posts, and splurge on his tacky merch. They decorate their lawns and automobiles like a shrine to Trump. They defend his blatant corruption and racism to the ends of the Earth. Very deranged and sick.

Oh, and they run to web forums to help wage the culture war on the libs like the good little sheep they are.

@MrGoodGuy hilarious

@shahnm laughable. dems/libs did not fangirl over Biden nor even Obama the way magas do for Trump. I think Obama had like one shirt design (with the ‘O’ on it) folks wore during the campaign and for a short time after he won the first election.

Trump supporters stormed the capital and assaulted cops as a love letter to him for Christ sake. Unhealthy relationship right there.

Not the same. You are blind if you cannot see the stark contrast.

@medz Uh… Your people still wear Obama gear. Of course, you’re only going to see what you want to see.

And if you’re just not going to acknowledge Obama’s armies: Antifa, the BLM goons, and all of the astroturfed riots, protests, and mayhem with their attendant destruction to society, property, and life… See above for the relevant meme.

Here’s a follow-up repost to clarify another of the leftist ops you have eagerly swallowed hook, line, and sinker:

@medz @shahnm What are you babbling about?

@medz Oh oh. I made Medz mad. Scaaaawy…!

But mostly hilarious!

@Felton10

This was America. But then - Leftism.

Now it’s whatever the fuck we’re left with after leftism infested what America was.

@therealjrn Leftist is as leftist does…

@Felton10

@Felton10

@therealjrn At least someone was arrested. There need to be so, so many more.

@shahnm @therealjrn Hopefully Trump will be next. His perving of underage girls including his own daughter is well documented.

https://news.meaww.com/fact-check-truth-behind-posts-claiming-donald-trump-entered-changing-rooms-of-beauty-pageant-contestants

@Felton10 @therealjrn

@Felton10 @shahnm @therealjrn

This is so so dumb. The entire Epstein class need to be investigated and held to account. Period.

Other countries are doing it. Ours is lying.

No one cares who. Or party. just for the truth and justice. Trump is abusing the DOJ to hide shit which is why people care.

If they just did what they promised and they was nothing there… And people could explain. But they clearly cannot.

Do you like being lied to?

@MrGoodGuy Here’s the image you requested for “members of the U.S. Supreme Court giving President Trump a lecture and warning him not to use tar…”

@mediocrebot OMG!! They resurrected RBG!!

@ironcheftoni
I don’t like posting in this thread. I much prefer to just let it lie here dormant. However, I do post in it (obviously), as much as anything to point out hypocrisy.

It seems that the point that you’re making is that Muslims are being inappropriately branded by narrow minded bigots who don’t understand them, based upon the actions of a subset of Muslims who you do not believe are representative of the whole.

That’s fair.

However, before you preen with too much sanctimony, note that you did exactly the same thing: “MAGAt wing of Texas politics (aka the GOP)”. You branded an entire political party with the actions of a subset who you do not understand (nor apparently even wish to understand).

Since I end up providing counterpoint a lot in this thread, I get labeled as MAGA here. I’m not, in as much as I don’t blindly follow or offer my devotion to anyone or anything. I mention this only to say that I’m not personally offended by your characterization of the GOP as MAGAts. I am, however, offended by narrow minded, self-serving pseudosanctimony.

I don’t call myself a Christian (or any specific religion), but I know enough to recognize when scripture is being used as a weapon… Spend some time with Matthew 7:3-5: “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?”.

Hell, translate it into Arabic if it helps.

@shahnm the post was mainly written by my friend. He used the term MAGAt. I guess i should have edited it more for context.

In Texas, the GOP seems to be running a collective campaign this primary to end or defeat sharia law. Which there is no such thing but there’s plenty of examples where they are screaming that we need to get Texas and America back to a Christian nation. It never was. All of this hate was accelerated when a housing developer proposed a new muslim centric community north of Dallas. This community would have schools and a mosque. Ken Paxton even stuck his nose in it and sued to stop the construction.

But the point is, the gop, keeps saying we need to be a Christian nation but they are not acting very Christian like and Matthew 22:39, Love your neighbor as yourself translated into Arabic.

@ironcheftoni You may want to remind your friend that it was the “open and welcoming” woke left who created “cancel culture”, who violently protest and destroy everything and everyone they are told not to agree with, who openly state they hate America and the principles upon which America was founded…

I’m all for being openminded, welcoming, and accepting. That’s a two-way street, though, and your friend is a hypocrite. [redacted]

And before anyone smugly says “Well, it’s FOX so …” here’s the OFFICIAL NYC page seeking snow shovelers:

https://www.nyc.gov/site/dsny/careers/civilians/emergency-snow-shovelers.page

@MrGoodGuy This is Jim SNOW 2.0!!!

@shahnm